Justify why Cam Newton isn't worth #1 overall?

[Darth Waya]

I'm not swayed by the character issues, (although I think our FO might be), I'm swayed by the valid points of the offense he's run and the defenses he's faced.

[scarface]

man I think Cam will be a great QB but unless Hurney or JR has a sit down with him and really decides his "compass is pointing in the right direction" I just can't imagine us drafting him. I like a lot of what he'd bring to the table but you have to understand they're looking for more than just a quarterback.

Thats what GPS is for.

[Sam Mills Fan]

You know, if any of you voted for Barack Obama, John McCain, or George W. Bush, you actively cast your ballot for the leader of the free world for someone that had admitted to using cocaine, someone that cheated on his recently disfigured wife, or someone arrested for drunk driving respectively. So it would be a tad bit hypocritical if you voted for these guys to lead the country if you can't support Cam Newton to lead the Panthers because he cheated on a test.

[TheRealDeal]

I guess you guys that don't think his past is an issue have never loaned anyone money huh?

I guess you've never had to hire anyone before for your company (if you work).

If I am going to give someone upwards of $50 million for nothing and hope that once they get that money they still uphold their end of the bargain even though they don't have to anymore, they better have a damn good history.

[mav1234]

You know, if any of you voted for Barack Obama, John McCain, or George W. Bush, you actively cast your ballot for the leader of the free world for someone that had admitted to using cocaine, someone that cheated on his recently disfigured wife, or someone arrested for drunk driving respectively. So it would be a tad bit hypocritical if you voted for these guys to lead the country if you can't support Cam Newton to lead the Panthers because he cheated on a test.

I never said *I* wouldn't draft Newton.

I said I didn't expect the team to do so.

[Jangler]

Exactly^^^

we can talk about it all we want, But if you really think JR will draft him and change so radically, you have not paid any attention to the Panthers.

as I said, The Second Great Huddle Meltdown 2011 in 3...2...1...

[DaCityKats]

I'm not up for being drafted #1 by a team that makes character the most important factor.

JR said he wants someone to be the face of the franchise.

I don't see it being Newton if there are character concerns. Which there appear to be.

i understand i dont think i want him with the first pick , but you going to judge a man because of a mistake.

[mav1234]

also: to say it's "because he cheated on a test" is ridiculous understatement and you know it.

i understand i dont think i want him with the first pick , but you going to judge a man because of a mistake.

judge him how? I'm not saying he's a bad person or anything, I just am saying that this pick is more than about the ability of the individual. Now, we could still end up with him, but I just have this feeling we won't.

[pantherj]

If I were owner I'd sit down and have a man-to-man talk with Cam.

What happened with the laptop? Tell me the truth.

"I didn't have much money and I really needed a laptop. Guy I knew was selling one for cheap, so I bought it. I thought it might have been stolen, but I looked the other way. it was a big mistake, and I learned from it."

Did you cheat on a test?

"Yes I spent too much time on football, and not enough on school, and I wasn't ready so I tried to cheat. I felt terrible afterward, and vowed never to cheat again."

Did your dad ask for money from the college?

"It's possible, my family is dirt poor, and I've made a fortune for the school."

I'm going to offer you a salary that will make you're entire family rich. I'm going to make you the face of the Carolina Panthers. All I ask in return is that you give 100% effort in preparation, and on gameday. And that you obey the law, and cut ties with people who don't obey the law. Can you do that?

"Yes."

You fail to do that, and you're done here. You succede, and all your hopes and dreams will come true.

[RockyTopVol]

Just a disappointing option considering we thought we were about to get the next Peyton Manning. Newton could be a successful mobile QB in the league, or he could be like almost all others, and get hurt a lot. Even the best mobile QB ever hasn't ever had two back to back winning seasons as a starter. Oh, and Newton is NOT Vick.

He has character issues. Forget the laptop thing, he's been coddled and babied since high school. He's like Vince Young in that. Even the NCAA bowed down to him and turned a blind-eye just so he could get away with something else. That mentality doesn't translate to a hard-working leader. It translates to...well, Vince Young's attitude in a locker room.

Sure, he could make it, but with the #1 overall pick, we need someone that will almost positively help our team. I say we go with one of the solid defensive players atop the draft board and look for our QB elsewhere.

I would rather start Clausen another season than waste a #1 overall pick on a shot-in-the-dark.

How do you feel about that justification?

[mav1234]

That may still happen, Pantherj.

I just think it's more likely he won't even get that much of a look.

That could change, though, especially with a good performance in the championship.

[DaCityKats]

That's easy for you to say, because you're not about to pay the guy $50+ million. And, you don't have a nigh-billion dollar franchise to worry about either.

but when you are average and the old way is not working.its time to try something else.

[rayzor]

his "character issues" are overrated. doubt he would have won the heisman if it mattered.

you guys seriously just don'tn want to win if you are letting those things get to you. a thug? seriously? lol get out of your mom's basement. he was a dummy and boought a stolen laptop and then had a panic attack and threw it out the window. how old was he? i'm sure none of you have done dumb things either. how much trouble did he get into? cheating on tests....meh. who cares? we'd be hiring him to play a game, not do our taxes. it has no bearing.

now if it was something serious like public intoxication (probably worse than the other things he did and the smae thing most of you bozos have done) then i might care. if it was a DWI...that might be a concern. if he was accused of rape...i might stay away. but the crap that he did wasn't much worse than what any of you guys have done in your lives.

why should we draft him? he's a winner. he has a good arm and makes solid decisions as a QB. he may not read defenses as well as luck, but he can read them as well as any other QB coming in the draft. he is accurate when he throws and he knows how to read the safeties and can make adjustments based on what they are doing. he is a run threat, but not nearly exclusively and the truth is he provides as much versatility to the offense as anyone else coming out would and probably a whole lot more. as a passer he is close to big ben. as a runner, he's as solid as any running back you could want. he is the ultimate dual threat QB.

you want intangibles....he's got them in spades. he's confident in the pocket and doesn't get rattled by anything on or off the field. you put VY through the crap he went through this past year and there is no way VY would have been picked on day 1 because he would have crumbled into a million pieces. newton is loved and respected by his fellow players and can get them fired up and playing at a higher level. he is their leader and he would be that on whatever team he walked into.

the only real drawbacks i could see is that he might need a year sitting behind a mentor, but he would be fine without it. another drawback si that you would have to have an offense tailored to his strengths...but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. you put him into the right offense and that guy is going to be as or more lethal than vick is this year. the poerfect fit for him would be the pistol offense. you get the same benefits to the run game as you would in the typical proset offense, but the same advantages to the passing game as you would from the shotgun.

go ahead and hate on and keep those narrowminded mindsets that has you thinking exclusively along color lines, but i'm tired of playing it safe and tired of mediocre QB play. lets get someone who can generate wins and excitement around here for once.

[rayzor]

I'm not swayed by the character issues, (although I think our FO might be), I'm swayed by the valid points of the offense he's run and the defenses he's faced.

what's the matter with the defenses he's faced? they are SEC defenses. are there better ones? the dude absolutely raped alabama's defense. what more do you want?