Justify why Cam Newton isn't worth #1 overall?

[Mr. Scot]

I respect the hell out of your opinion Mr. Scot. I've repped you tons for the things you've said in the past.

But I think you're missing the boat on Newton man. Auburn didn't have a cake walk schedule and to do the things he did this year, without any Division 1 experience, is simply amazing.

Again, lots of guys that have been successes in college, including in competitive conferences, have failed in the pros.

I'm not convinced Newton succeeds in the NFL. If he does, it'll probably be as a project over a couple of years.

You don't use the number one pick on a guy who isn't going to be ready for a couple of years.

Could I be wrong? Sure. So could you.

Time will tell.

[blackcatgrowl]

Again, lots of guys that have been successes in college, including in competitive conferences, have failed in the pros.

I'm not convinced Newton succeeds in the NFL. If he does, it'll probably be as a project over a couple of years.

You don't use the number one pick on a guy who isn't going to be ready for a couple of years.

Could I be wrong? Sure. So could you.

Time will tell.

Well, I see it differently. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on Newton. I just feel he has more in the way of upside (above average talent, a record to match it) than down (the system he's in isn't "pro").

[BBQ&Beer]

and for the record, the heisman's not a positive either. Heisman winners fail quite a bit (like our own chris weinke).

weinke was a hunnredtirtysehem years old when we drafted him!!!

[PantherFanForLife]

Point blank, Andrew Luck is the only QB I've seen in this year's draft that I'd have no issue with taking number one.

Newton, Gabbert, Mallett, Locker...none of them have the complete package that Luck does. And if you want to use the number one overall pick on a guy, he better be the complete package. "Good enough" isn't good enough. Nobody in this draft is the equal of Luck, or even close.

They all have issues, Newton included, and not just the character thing (though that's big). There's also his mechanics, the system and questions about his ability to read defenses. Heck, the guy who runs the Sporting News draft analysis was saying he wouldn't even rate Newton as a first round pick (Russ Lande, and for the record, he's a former NFL scout).

And for the record, the Heisman's not a positive either. Heisman winners fail quite a bit (like our own Chris Weinke).

Right now, my choice for the #1 pick would be Nick Fairley. I could be convinced to accept A J Green or Patrick Peterson, but no other QB.

Ultimately, I'll support whomever the Panthers take, but there are some choices I'd feel a lot better about than others.

Well we can at least agree on that. And if I could or if it would actually affect the outcome from me doing so, I would convince you to pull for Green.

[rayzor]

Point blank, Andrew Luck is the only QB I've seen in this year's draft that I'd have no issue with taking number one.

Newton, Gabbert, Mallett, Locker...none of them have the complete package that Luck does. And if you want to use the number one overall pick on a guy, he better be the complete package. "Good enough" isn't good enough. Nobody in this draft is the equal of Luck, or even close.

They all have issues, Newton included, and not just the character thing (though that's big). There's also his mechanics, the system and questions about his ability to read defenses. Heck, the guy who runs the Sporting News draft analysis was saying he wouldn't even rate Newton as a first round pick (Russ Lande, and for the record, he's a former NFL scout).

And for the record, the Heisman's not a positive either. Heisman winners fail quite a bit (like our own Chris Weinke).

Right now, my choice for the #1 pick would be Nick Fairley. I could be convinced to accept A J Green or Patrick Peterson, but no other QB.

Ultimately, I'll support whomever the Panthers take, but there are some choices I'd feel a lot better about than others.

fairley as a #1 overall is a much bigger reach than cam @ #1. truth is everyone this year is a reach. aj green....patrick peterson...bowers...none of them are truly worth the #1 overall.

we have to go with what we need most. that is QB. and cam is the best QB option there is. he is the one most able to make an impact.

i'm kind of surprised that you even mention the hesiman. thats like trying to bring up the madden curse as a legit argument. heisman has no bearing on the success of any player. all it means is that they were good in college. it doesn't indicate success or failure. it's a non-issue.

i'm of the opinion that you are selling newton short as well. the dude has a lot more pro level talent and ability as a QB than you are giving him credit for. you've succeeded in putting him in the same little box as all these other people. if you are a QB that can run and in a system that utilizes the run heavily, then you are set up for failure in the pros. first, that just isn't the case but that can be argued till we're all blue in the face. what you are wrong about is putting him into that "mobile QB" box. he has a lot more talent as a passer than you realize. just because he plays in that offense doesn't make him any less prepared and able to succeed than any other QB to come from a spread offense.

sure, he might not be the ideal #1 choice, but then again...who else is? they are all going to be reaches. fairley is no suh...not even close and suh set the bar for DTs being taken overall. he was the first. and why would we waste a pick on a DT like that when there are better options that would be available in FA? what about patrick peterson? there has never been a CB taken first overall, are we saying that he is the best to ever come out of the draft? AJ Green...how many WRs have been taken first overall? last one to do it was keyshawn. and i think there was only one before him. why are there so few taken that early? because they are so likely to bust. bowers? are we saying that he is mario williams good? DE isn't even one of our greatest needs... not even close.

the FO is commited supposedly to improving the offense, particularly the passing game. that is going to be priority #1 to them. like it or not, they will probably be drafting a QB first. honestly, i don't see how they can justify not doing that.

[Vagrant]

I could have sworn that I watched a white running back completely dominate our defense in a game this year, with 3TDs in a half. This white running back was traded for a prototypical white quarterback who was drafted in the first round a few years ago and that qb was third string on a 3-13 team. I'm glad the caste system that you mention above always rings true.

Had we been considering taking Peyton Hillis with our 1st overall pick, I would have laughed my ass off and probably never watched this team play another down of football. You don't take a white running back with the 1st pick in the draft either. Because, based upon the percentages, you're taking a gamble that more often than not fails to work.

There are probably more black quarterbacks in the NFL playing WR than there are playing QB. I wouldn't take the risk that I was drafting the exception to the rule much the same way that I wouldn't have endorsed that line of thinking with Hillis.

[blackcatgrowl]

fairley as a #1 overall is a much bigger reach than cam @ #1. truth is everyone this year is a reach. aj green....patrick peterson...bowers...none of them are truly worth the #1 overall.

we have to go with what we need most. that is QB. and cam is the best QB option there is. he is the one most able to make an impact.

i'm kind of surprised that you even mention the hesiman. thats like trying to bring up the madden curse as a legit argument. heisman has no bearing on the success of any player. all it means is that they were good in college. it doesn't indicate success or failure. it's a non-issue.

i'm of the opinion that you are selling newton short as well. the dude has a lot more pro level talent and ability as a QB than you are giving him credit for. you've succeeded in putting him in the same little box as all these other people. if you are a QB that can run and in a system that utilizes the run heavily, then you are set up for failure in the pros. first, that just isn't the case but that can be argued till we're all blue in the face. what you are wrong about is putting him into that "mobile QB" box. he has a lot more talent as a passer than you realize. just because he plays in that offense doesn't make him any less prepared and able to succeed than any other QB to come from a spread offense.

sure, he might not be the ideal #1 choice, but then again...who else is? they are all going to be reaches. fairley is no suh...not even close and suh set the bar for DTs being taken overall. he was the first. and why would we waste a pick on a DT like that when there are better options that would be available in FA? what about patrick peterson? there has never been a CB taken first overall, are we saying that he is the best to ever come out of the draft? AJ Green...how many WRs have been taken first overall? last one to do it was keyshawn. and i think there was only one before him. why are there so few taken that early? because they are so likely to bust. bowers? are we saying that he is mario williams good? DE isn't even one of our greatest needs... not even close.

the FO is commited supposedly to improving the offense, particularly the passing game. that is going to be priority #1 to them. like it or not, they will probably be drafting a QB first. honestly, i don't see how they can justify not doing that.

/thread as far as I'm concerned

[PantherFanForLife]

If our franchise passes on a proven Elite QB like Mike Vick because of a criminal record, I don't see them coughing up #1 draft money for another guy that already had run-ins with the law, that has the same potential to end up into trouble, WITHOUT the certainty of ever reaching that performance.

I would be VERY surprised for our franchise to take Newton, and I agree with the general opinion that no other QB is worth the top pick. Of course, the draft isn't until April, the combine still has to take place, and a lot of things could develop by then.,

But honestly, I just don't see our FO taking a guy like Newton.

[H2oproof]

weinke was a hunnredtirtysehem years old when we drafted him!!!

You know you're old when you're balding as a rookie

[Vagrant]

The flat out truth is that we picked the WORST year in probably the last decade to land the 1st overall pick now that Luck is staying in school. The only draft that really comes close in terms of overall suck is the 2005 draft where the 49ers took Alex Smith. Almost every other draft has had a franchise QB in it that went in the first few picks or at least looked the part at the time.

[PantherFanForLife]

The flat out truth is that we picked the WORST year in probably the last decade to land the 1st overall pick now that Luck is staying in school. The only draft that really comes close in terms of overall suck is the 2005 draft where the 49ers took Alex Smith. Almost every other draft has had a franchise QB in it that went in the first few picks or at least looked the part at the time.

Word.

[Catalyst]

The only way I want him is if we have either:

1) Donovan McNabb to mentor him...

2) A REALLY good O.C./QB coach to develop him...

3) Preferably all three

[micnificent28]

Point blank, Andrew Luck is the only QB I've seen in this year's draft that I'd have no issue with taking number one.

Newton, Gabbert, Mallett, Locker...none of them have the complete package that Luck does. And if you want to use the number one overall pick on a guy, he better be the complete package. "Good enough" isn't good enough. Nobody in this draft is the equal of Luck, or even close.

They all have issues, Newton included, and not just the character thing (though that's big). There's also his mechanics, the system and questions about his ability to read defenses. Heck, the guy who runs the Sporting News draft analysis was saying he wouldn't even rate Newton as a first round pick (Russ Lande, and for the record, he's a former NFL scout).

And for the record, the Heisman's not a positive either. Heisman winners fail quite a bit (like our own Chris Weinke).

Right now, my choice for the #1 pick would be Nick Fairley. I could be convinced to accept A J Green or Patrick Peterson, but no other QB.

Ultimately, I'll support whomever the Panthers take, but there are some choices I'd feel a lot better about than others.

I respect mr. scots opinon more than any other poster but,i agree he's missing the boat here as well. first of all, Nick Fairley at number 1? Did you even know who he was before the start of this season? He's having the same one year wonder season as Cam. Most scouts agree that there is no suh in this class so why reach on a tackle? Looking at the history defensive tackles they bust almost more often than qbs. There's a reason they don't get draft at the top to often because, its hard to find a good one and there impact is rarely good enuff to be selected at the top.

JR wants a face for the franchise and i don't see fairely as that. We almost have to go qb. I saw another one of your post saying you don't trade down and that if luck busts its ok,because you have to gamble if he can become the next manning. Why is the same not true with Cam? Clearly, he will never be manning but in terms of potential i'd say he has the potential to be even greater than luck. With his tools he has a chance to be something the nfl has never seen before. Yes there is a great chance he could flop, same could be said for any number one pick. bottom line,when is the last time the panthers took a qb in the first round? when was it last that we had a chance to grab an elite talent? If we have the chance to take the best qb coming out this season i sure don't want to waste it on a tackle. Again this is not an attack just wanted to share my thoughts on the situation.

[twylyght]

those are little issues.

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