Justify why Cam Newton isn't worth #1 overall?

[Snake]

The fact we will have to ask ourselves is that do we think our coaching staff can developed players. All of our players including our QB will have to learn a new system. John Fox aint here anymore kids. Its rebuild time.

[Mr. Scot]

What we have here is a chicken vs. egg scenario regarding which came first between the athletic spread offense quarterback against the stereotype of athletic (read: mostly black) quarterbacks should be coached a certain way to maximize their success. It ultimately doesn't matter in the end WHY these athletic quarterbacks are developmentally left behind, it only matters that they ARE. I don't think it makes me racist to point out that fact.

If you spend your entire high school and college career playing football a certain way because your coach endorses that play style and you enjoy playing it and then find out at the professional level that there was a WHOLE different game going on in the defensive backfield than you ever knew, you're going to be totally blindsided.

Quarterbacks that are supposedly at a natural athletic disadvantage start learning that game much earlier in their career and by the time they're ready for the NFL, they usually know how to read a defense if they're going to be worth a damn at the next level. 5% instincts, 95% repetition that most black quarterbacks never get in the repetition department. Watch the evolution of players like Steve McNair and Michael Vick. How many reps did it finally take for them to get the amount of reps they needed to trust their reads and use their arm strength and accuracy to make plays instead of their feet all the time? All of that ability was learned on an NFL salary.

Vince Young is in the same boat. He's not a lost cause, he's just going through the natural progressions of a QB that is having to make that harsh adjustment from dictating the defense to having to adjust his style to the defensive approach. He'll get there eventually, but it's going to take more time and more reps. JaMarcus Russell, if not for being a total fat ass, would have had a similar learning curve. These guys weren't inherently busts by talent. They had the talent, they just didn't have the patience and their organizations shared the sentiment.

Racism? Yeah right. More like a player that plays pitch and catch for his entire organized football career is not going to adapt to professional football as quickly as a player that by result of poor mobility has had to conquer defenses mentally and through repetition as opposed to pure skill.

Eric Crouch didn't make it in the pros either.

There are lots of reasons why guys don't make it in the pros. Both Pat White and Troy Smith were shorter than the prototype size. Add in that both suffered from maturity issues.

Likewise, Tim Couch, Ryan Leaf, Chris Weinke, Colt Brennan, Timmy Chang, Kyle Boller, David Carr and others all failed at the pro level for various reasons.

And a lot of the guys that are entering the draft this year won't make it either, for reasons that have nothing to do with their race.

It's not easy to make it in the pros. Plenty of guys - of various races - don't. Being in a system that ill prepares you for a pro-style offense makes it even tougher.

[jdogg66]

What QB in the draft do you see that is not a Project Player? Or what QB in FA do you see that is a starter? Face it were are not going to turn around in one year and win it all. We are going to have slow growth at this point.

i know its not going to be a one year we win it all deal, thats common sense. I just feel there are other guys in the draft that could step right in and have a "decent" season. I really feel like Locker could step in and have close to the season Bradford had this year. You cant tell me that because a guy that was projected to be drafted before Bradford last year is all of the sudden a garbage qb. How many bad games did he really have this year? Off the top of my head only games I can think of are the Nebraska games. Because he has 2 bad games he goes from #1 to garbage?

[R0CKnR0LLA]

Ton of potential but he's still really raw and has a long way to go. He needs a seriously strong worth ethic to develop into that franchise QB everyone wants and I've seen no indication he does.

I think he could very well pull a JaMarcus Russell, meaning as soon as he inks that huge contract he'll be like "lolz at u bitches, just gonna chill and spend all my time spending this $$$".

[Snake]

Eric Crouch didn't make it in the pros either.

There are lots of reasons why guys don't make it in the pros. Both Pat White and Troy Smith were shorter than the prototype size. Add in that both suffered from maturity issues. Likewise, Tim Couch, Ryan Leaf, Eric Zeier, Colt Brennan, Timmy Chang, Kyle Boller, David Carr and others all failed at the pro level for various reasons.

And a lot of the guys that are entering the draft this year, won't make it either.

It's not easy to make it in the pros. Plenty of guys - of various races - don't. Being in a system that ill prepares you for a pro-style offense makes it even tougher.

This is true but is it any diffrent then coming out of a program in collage that uses a vertical attack and then going to the WCO. Or vice a versa. I think Smart QBs can adapt to any style and its more important to be able to adapt then anything else. Lets face it Clausen was running almost the same offense he did at ND and was still horrible. He just did not adapt well.

[unicar15]

I'm not scared of the spread because IMO guys like The Golden Calf of Bristol and McCoy showed this year that they will adapt well to the NFL. I liked what both of them brought to the table. However, as is the case with The Golden Calf of Bristol...Newton is a runner. I don't like that when it comes to long-term success. I want someone who is going to make a throw before he starts thinking about running and IMO Newton isn't a polished enough QB to think that way. IDK if ANY of the QBs are polished enough. I guess we'll find out as the evaluations come in.

If I'm the Panthers I'm praying that DaQuan Bowers looks like a man-beast and I'm hoping someone wants to pay dearly for him.

[panthers55]

Ton of potential but he's still really raw and has a long way to go. He needs a seriously strong worth ethic to develop into that franchise QB everyone wants and I've seen no indication he does.

I think he could very well pull a JaMarcus Russell, meaning as soon as he inks that huge contract he'll be like "lolz at u bitches, just gonna chill and spend all my time spending this $$$".

What have you read or seen to suggest he doesn't have a good work ethic? Those are the things I am hoping to find out over the next couple of months.

[Mr ocho nueve]

All these are soft as hell reasons to me.

He actually started in 2009 for Brinn College and that fall he led them to the 2009 NJCAA National Football Championship.

As far as him being able to transition to a NFL offense... that's anyone's GUESS. There's nothing saying any QB can transition.

What he does bring is some awesome talent like we've never seen before.

C'mon, don't bring up Brinn college, that's like high school ball, and he was running the same exact offense he is at AUB. I'm sure Chris Weinke could light it up at Brinn also, just saying.

[panthers55]

we dont need a 2 or 3 year project at qb.....you all want to win now, as i do, but you want to draft a project....nah....screw that

Quarterbacks who are drafted are all projects. The question is not if they will struggle but for how long. Anyone thinking that we will draft a guy and he will help us win right away doesn't understand football very well. Most guys even Peyton Manning struggled his first season.

[jdogg66]

Quarterbacks who are drafted are all projects. The question is not if they will struggle but for how long. Anyone thinking that we will draft a guy and he will help us win right away doesn't understand football very well. Most guys even Peyton Manning struggled his first season.

that is bull....when i say win right now im not saying the superbowl in 2012, im talking about a Sam Bradford type year finishing around .500

[scarface]

What have you read or seen to suggest he doesn't have a good work ethic? Those are the things I am hoping to find out over the next couple of months.

Cam obviously loves to the game of football, he has The Golden Calf of Bristol-like enthusiasm minus the Bible stuff and tears.

[Snake]

i know its not going to be a one year we win it all deal, thats common sense. I just feel there are other guys in the draft that could step right in and have a "decent" season. I really feel like Locker could step in and have close to the season Bradford had this year. You cant tell me that because a guy that was projected to be drafted before Bradford last year is all of the sudden a garbage qb. How many bad games did he really have this year? Off the top of my head only games I can think of are the Nebraska games. Because he has 2 bad games he goes from #1 to garbage?

Locker is my 3rd rated QB because of poor arm and poor stats. Every stat category he has dropped this year. He just screams Brady Quinn.

[jdogg66]

with our D and running game you cant tell me there is not a qb in the draft that cant come in here and take us to around .500, i do know that there is no way in hell cam newton could do that for us

[scarface]

with our D and running game you cant tell me there is not a qb in the draft that cant come in here and take us to around .500, i do know that there is no way in hell cam newton could do that for us

Hmph.