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Cam Newton looking better and better!

Tarheels23

By Tarheels23,
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mav1234 Grand Master

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Brady was in the spread in college and no one is hung up on Newton, but when people don't give him the respect he deserves it's hard not to argue with your naive little opinions.

what. the. hell.

first. it's not about stats and the only reason the system matters is because of the type of reads he makes and the types of plays he runs. plus Brady wasn't drafted anywhere near the top of the first, second, or third rounds, and if you're saying "Brady did well so Newton will too when he's drafted in the sixth round!" you could be right, but this thread was about taking Cam early and is now about Cam in his last game... which has nothing to do with brady, which gets me to my next question..

second, why the hell do you think tom brady was in the spread in college?

He deserves respect for winning a national championship and people like you do not want to give him that respect for some odd reason. Would you like to tell me why he doesn't warrant your respect. Also Tony Pike actually threw 12 NFL passes this year and thats about the average amount of the passes any QB threw before they ended up throwing an INT.

I give him respect for a decent game and a great season. That does not mean he should be drafted early in the first round, but I expect someone will reach for him.

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I understand those of you that think he's not an NFL QB but I hope you guys can shake your fear for once since great reward comes only through risk.

IF Luck does not declare this franchise has to go with a PROVEN offensive player at the QB position. I don't know of any elite level players that are free agents other than Vick (Don't say Kolb:rolleyes:). The guy has won two different championships with two different teams and won the Heisman.

If he learns NFL footwork he may become even more of a beast. We've had less of a QB (athletically and arm wise) and gone to the Super Bowl so why not Cam? We will have one of the best defenses in the league anyway so why not. You CAN pick him at three, maybe, and gain another pick for Fairly but he may not last.

You don't want to be the team that passed on Jordan. Don't be scared my brothers.

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Do the people that think we should take Newton only pay attention to stats and measurables? QB is the hardest position to judge from stats alone in college especially with all the gimmick offenses and inconsistent competition. He has no experience at all making more than 1 or 2 reads. He has a green light to run if nothing open ups right away for him, he'll have to be much more patient in the NFL if he wants to last a whole season. He almost never has to fit the ball in a window of any size. He is bigger and faster than almost all of his competition. He won't be in the NFL. 6'0 240 is just as big as 6'6 250 and most NFL linebackers are close to that size. Nearly all his snaps under center result in a handoff so he never turns his back to the defense then has to reestablish his vision and reads. I'm not saying he can't run a pro offense, he just has no experience in doing many many thing he'll have to do to be successful. Just too many questions that we don't and won't know the answer to until he's actually in the NFL to use a very high pick on him.

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Most people go off there opinion with Cam. One side or the other is there Opinion. With every other top player they look at stats and measurables but it seems to me people get fired up one why or another with him. I think our scouting department will look more at his body of work then how they feel about him.

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Another he had a bad game so he must suck analysis. LOL

Tyrod Taylor??? Just totally killed any credibility you had.

Way to make a foolish assumption there guy. I watched four or five Auburn Games this season and enjoyed watching Cam play. He is a great college QB. However at the time I thought there was no way we were going to draft him so I wasn't watching from that standpoint.

In the BCS championship I looked at him from a different standpoint. This wasn't a bad game for him btw. He may succeed as a pro qb but I don't think it will be anytime soon and definitely not without a great OC, QB coach and a great vet to learn from while carrying a clip board. I just don't think he is good for us or us for him.

As far as TT goes I give two Sh*ts about how you feel about my credibility. He displayed great decision making, pocket presence, exceptional instict, and above all, intelligence in the games I watched this year. Including the one he lost. But he doesn't have the physical tools I would like so I don't want him either. I was simply saying that I believe he would be a better fit for us that Cam in our current situation.

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just to clear something up because I think there is somewhat of a misconception.

Not all college offenses are "spread" offenses, though I can't imagine a school that does not utilize a spread formation. Further, not all spread offenses are created equal. They can place different emphasis on different positions and different aspects of those positions. Quarterbacks especially can be asked to do tremendously different things from one offense to another, including different types of reads at different points in a play. Most analysts/experts will say that spread offenses generally lead to quarterbacks needing more transition time than "pro-style", but past draft picks have shown that this alone is not the only indicator of transition time or career success (No, Tom Brady is not an example of this. HE WAS NOT IN A f**kING SPREAD OFFENSE IN COLLEGE KHRAKAHSKDH, sorry.).

Spread offenses can vastly inflate some stats, and ultimately stats only mean so much when looking at quarterbacks. This is why some of us constantly talk about skills, mechanics, tools, intangibles... not because we think someone is a loser or we hate on them but because ultimately those are what will allow for transition to the next level.

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As far as TT goes I give two Sh*ts about how you feel about my credibility. He displayed great decision making, pocket presence, exceptional instict, and above all, intelligence in the games I watched this year. Including the one he lost. But he doesn't have the physical tools I would like so I don't want him either. I was simply saying that I believe he would be a better fit for us that Cam in our current situation.

Tyrod is a likely pickup by someone taking a flier on a backup like we already did with Pike. He was not that good and his bowl game performance just reinforces he has a much lower ceiling than a guy like Newton..

And at this point who needs another backup or a guy with limited upside. It isn't that someone won't pick him up late in the draft and maybe earlier if there is a run on quarterbacks early.

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