Cam Newton looking better and better!

[TheRealDeal]

Another he had a bad game so he must suck analysis. LOL

Tyrod Taylor??? Just totally killed any credibility you had.

He didn't have a bad game.

People finally got to watch him instead of his highlights. He doesn't have the tools to be successful. Dude needs to stand outside of HomeDepot and see if he can collect some before April.

[panthers55]

I didn't once say Cam was static or a finished product, don't put words in my mouth. I said what he is, raw. Read any one of my posts and it says he's raw. People are advocating him 1st overall which is outrageous. People want him in the top 5 which is crazy. People want him in top 10 which is ridiculous. People want him in the teens which is understandable. He should go in the top of the 2nd round based on his talent but he won't. Someone will reach and be setback 3-5 years, I hope it's not us.

I'm stating what I see based on film and you are using words like "potential" and "could be" and "exciting" which aren't quantifiable and are the same words that get thrown around every year on the new hot player.

Fact is he needs to work on his feet, his accuracy, and his ability to read a defense to have a shot in the NFL. He's nothing more than a project.

It isn't crazy to pick your franchise guy when you have a pick. If he sin't going to be there are pick 10, then you pick him where you are or trade down and hope he is there. This whole debate that he is a top 10 pick but not top 5 is what is ridiculous. With a rookie cap, the money won't be that different and frankly the reality is that top 5 versus top 20 isn't that different in talent. Once Luck didn't declare the rest were seond best.

As for what you are seeing on the TV, again what kind of expert are you? Are you a scout or professional coach? College coach??? That is what I thought.

I am only glad you don't pick for us since you have no ability to project to the future or see beyond your own linear thoughts. Given none of these guys have played 1 NFL down all their is potential and projecting to the next level. I think he will be very good and you don't. Until either of us get paid for our football analysis it doesn't really matter what we think now does it.

[panthers55]

He didn't have a bad game.

People finally got to watch him instead of his highlights. He doesn't have the tools to be successful. Dude needs to stand outside of HomeDepot and see if he can collect some before April.

Sure he did. Some of us have seen him play more than 1 or 2 games so we can see what was good or not. Nothing has changed from last week.

[monstercat]

Maybe I should start talking up TJ Yates. Hell, I believe he had more passing yards than Luck did this season and he is a pocket passer playing in an NFL style offense.

[panthers55]

P55 is just mad. Don't mind him. He can't give a real analysis only some long post which actually means nothing. He'll then vanish from the thread and ignore all relevant posts. He's almost turning into KT with his ability to avoid posts but he isn't racially motivated.

And you can't stand when someone questions your opinion and can back it up with information and facts. So then you go to personal attacks when you got nothing else. You seem to be the racially motivated dude with the agenda not me. I am not saying we should draft him or not. Simply that with Luck gone, he is the best guy with the miost potential if you go quarterback in the draft. Honestly I don't care if we pick one in the draft or free agency I am simply not comfortable going into 2011 with who we have.

[rippadonn]

the simple fact is Newton, while a phenomenal athlete will NOT be able to start right away and help this team. a guy like Fairley or Patrick Peterson or AJ Green will be able to immediately start and help this team.

There is no way to measure the heart of a Champion, they just seem to will their team to win, the "it" factor. Auburn rode Newton to this championship.

I don't get this "can't start" stuff. If Tampa started Freeman (who Newton is better than IMO) why can't he start now.

We aren't in a win now situation with our team of young players. We are missing a dominant QB and always have.

Fairly and Bowers are just as much of a risk as Newton. Bowers just stepped up this year after not producing and Fairly isn't a lock to be an NFL star either.

If Newton just stayed in the pocket and threw the ball his arm alone would make him a very worthy pick. He won't be there at #5 or 4 he has too much upside. You can build around a guy like this.

He seems to be smarter than a Vince Young, came off as very focused and driven young man. Last night was a OK game for him, I've seen him destroy teams with elite talent.

Moose likes him very much and he's swayed my opinion of late. We need to draft for offense and aside from Luck he's the best offensive player in college and a potential NFL star. You can't pass on that.

[PantherFan52]

He didn't have a bad game.

People finally got to watch him instead of his highlights. He doesn't have the tools to be successful. Dude needs to stand outside of HomeDepot and see if he can collect some before April.

Let me start off by saying i'm not a big Cam fan.. At all. With that being said I think you're wrong. He does have the tools to become a very good QB in the league. Cannon arm, ideal frame(6'6'', 250+), and is as fast as they come.

[TheRealDeal]

Sure he did. Some of us have seen him play more than 1 or 2 games so we can see what was good or not. Nothing has changed from last week.

You lack the ability to look deeper into games, it's been proven time and time again. It's like talking to a child. Do some in depth analysis of his games without using stats or words like winner and leader. I've said the same thing about him each week and nothing has changed.

If we draft him the words of Cash Money Millionaires comes to mind, "Give me a project b*tch" except for us it would be "Give me a project, b*tch"

[monstercat]

For the record, Cam should get some points for playing hurt last night too. I'm pretty sure he was already hurting in the 1st quarter, so that was a real gut check for him and I'm absolutely positive that it affected his play last night. All the doubters seem to be ignoring this little fact, which is odd, because it demonstrates the kids willingness to be a team player and to win no matter what.

[TheRealDeal]

Let me start off by saying i'm not a big Cam fan.. At all. With that being said I think you're wrong. He does have the tools to become a very good QB in the league. Cannon arm, ideal frame(6'6'', 250+), and is as fast as they come.

Since when are those tools to be successful in the NFL?

Two of the major tools he lacks: footwork and accuracy. Those make or break quarterbacks.

He's not that fast either.

[TheRealDeal]

And you can't stand when someone questions your opinion and can back it up with information and facts. So then you go to personal attacks when you got nothing else. You seem to be the racially motivated dude with the agenda not me. I am not saying we should draft him or not. Simply that with Luck gone, he is the best guy with the miost potential if you go quarterback in the draft. Honestly I don't care if we pick one in the draft or free agency I am simply not comfortable going into 2011 with who we have.

If your questions had any merit I would answer them. As for backing up my opinion with information and facts, watch football games. That's all the information I need.

I've yet to see you look at my original post, watch the game, and argue point by point what you are seeing that is different.

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

Here is just my two cents.

This quote is by Bill Smith from NFLDraftDog.com. This quote is in regards to SAM BRADFORD.

The Concerns

Most of the passes in the Sooner playbook are out of the shotgun formation. That brings us to perhaps the biggest concern that GMs have about not only Bradford but almost all of the college spread formation quarterbacks—what about his footwork? The QB is under center for nearly all plays in the NFL.

Traditionally, shotgun or spread offense rookie quarterback’s struggle with the 3, 5 and 7 step drops fundamental to the NFL passing game. Many high pick shotgun/spread formation QBs have failed. Nearly always their downfall has been due to footwork/accuracy problems. It is nearly impossible to have NFL level accuracy by a quarterback that lacks consistent footwork. The passing windows are microscopic compared to those in college even in good conferences. Timing of the throw is critical and timing is determined by footwork.

A second and nearly equally significant concern is the ability of Bradford to make pre-snap reads. An NFL quarterback must be able to read the defense before the snap to determine if the play needs to be changed or not. The Oklahoma system involves the team looking to the sideline to get the play. The reading of the D is done by the coaching staff in the booth, relayed to the sideline and given to the QB.

In the NFL, the QB must make the reads. Is the opponent going to blitz? Are they in zone, man or a combination coverage? Each of these possibilities requires different patterns and play calls. Many of the Big 12 QBs have never been responsible for making those reads. The problem is made more significant by the multiple defenses the NFL uses. While he had NFL quality receivers, they were not facing NFL quality defensive backs. These guys are bigger, faster, smarter, and hit a lot harder than any college conference defenses.

This particular quote seems a lot like the quote posted in another thread regarding Cam Newton.

Now there is no denying that Cam Newton has work to due such as Tom Brady, Ben Rothlisberger, Joe Flacco, Kyle Orton, and Sam Bradford did who all played in the spread offense in college.

However, I think if Cam Newton has the drive to get a coach RIGHT NOW like The Golden Calf of Bristol did he can catapult his draft status.

Newton does need to work on his footwork and sensing when and when not to leave the pocket. Nonetheless, if anyone can do it, I believe Newton can.

He has shown signs of improvement and he even did last night. Newton's accuracy has really shot up and hits nearly every pass. He is not worth the number one overall draft pick but he may be by the time the draft roles around or he might even be worth trading down.

However, the main issue is not with Newton, it is with the fans and the organization of the Carolina Panthers. Newton has shown at times that he should be drafted in the first round even though others disagree, but the problem for some people is not wanting Newton based on his personal life, his color (people are always going to deny this one, but there is a small minority out there that do not want a black quarterback), or the fact that they are scared to take a chance. These people also don't realize that the Panthers need a quarterback or if they do realize that we do need a quarterback there response is "go sign one." Well first of JR does not sign big name players; secondly the only quarterbacks that JR may take a look at are Kevin Kolb and Alex Smith. Some want Alex Smith but Alex Smith has not proven to be a significant NFL quarterback.

There is a risk to taking Newton, but there is a good chance this time that the risk may NOT out way the reward.

[TheRealDeal]

Post the pros about Bradford. The main difference is Sam being able to read a defense and move through progressions while Cam cannot. Stop reaching

[monstercat]

You can bet your ass that if Cam enters the draft, he will take about 1,000 snaps from center and work constantly on his 3,5, and 7 step drops between now and draft day.

Maybe he's not worthy of the #1 pick, but he could easily be a first rounder who ends up being a very good starter pretty quickly.

You have to ask yourself, does Blaine Gabbert have as much or more potential than Cam Newton and does he really deserve to get drafted earlier?