Is Moore the future?

[Fireball77]

Jake had 7 bad games, a few good games, the rest average.

I completely disagree with that stance. Even if you are going purely by passer rating, I can't see it.

Had 2 of the worst games of his career in the same year. One being against the Raiders. The other during the worst possible time a QB could ever have one. He had the best run game, probably best offensive line in his career

That I agree with.

If his teammates and coaches have lost their faith in him, then it's over, but I don't think that has happened. I also believe that some of his accuracy issues were due to the TJ and should be better next year, though I don't ever think he will be a 64-65% passer (which really isn't that crucial in this type of offense anyway, 62 ish is sufficient, IMO). There were times I thought he was actually more accurate than in the past and times he was less accurate.

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Could Matt Moore be serviceable like Aaron Rodgers? I think so. I don't think he will be as good as Jake, and def not a top 5 player

What? Aaron Rodgers is only serviceable? He's already better than Jake.

[Jaxel]

Im gonna make a bold Prediction and say Matt Moore leads the Panthers to their first Super Bowl win =)

[panthers55]

With a new quarterback coach who is familiar with Davidson's concepts I will be interested to see what he can do with Moore. He did well with Anderson in 2007 and has a number of years of expereince in several types of systems. I am optimistic that he can help Jake, Moore, and McCown.

[Cat'sGrowl]

I think Matt Moore certainly has the ability to be a starter, but i dont envision him getting rhe chance to take the reigns here, if we draft a QB, i fervently believe that we should take Rhett Bomar from Sam Houston St, i believe he and Stafford are the only to QB's in this year's class with any real NFL capable abilities, i think they will both be good, but we know how Hurney and Fox are when it comes to drafting a QB, however, i do think that they think it is time to start developing a QB of the future, so you never know, i like Jake, but i too think its time to start looking for a man of the future.

[methodtoll]

What the hell is up with all this lovefest for Bomar? Did you guys watch his senior bowl performance? He was pretty bad! I mean, Pat White outplayed him at QB....

[JeramiahCopperfield]

What? Aaron Rodgers is only serviceable? He's already better than Jake.

don't think so

[KillerKat]

I completely disagree with that stance. Even if you are going purely by passer rating, I can't see it.

That I agree with.

If his teammates and coaches have lost their faith in him, then it's over, but I don't think that has happened. I also believe that some of his accuracy issues were due to the TJ and should be better next year, though I don't ever think he will be a 64-65% passer (which really isn't that crucial in this type of offense anyway, 62 ish is sufficient, IMO). There were times I thought he was actually more accurate than in the past and times he was less accurate.

Uh lets see...he played poorly vs San Diego, Chicago, and Minessota. Thats 3 right there. Then he was bad in both Bucs games. Up to 5 now. He was bad in our Atlanta loss when we were 5-14 on 3rd downs! The he had the worst game of his career vs the Raiders until he topped that vs the Cards IN THE PLAYOFFS! That makes 8. So actually i was generous when saying he had 7 bad games. He was bad for half the season!

[panthers55]

Uh lets see...he played poorly vs San Diego, Chicago, and Minessota. Thats 3 right there. Then he was bad in both Bucs games. Up to 5 now. He was bad in our Atlanta loss when we were 5-14 on 3rd downs! The he had the worst game of his career vs the Raiders until he topped that vs the Cards IN THE PLAYOFFS! That makes 8. So actually i was generous when saying he had 7 bad games. He was bad for half the season!

That is ridiculous. Jake was money at the end against both San Diego and Chicago. Both come from behind wins. The mark of a good quarterback is the same as a good pitcher. A guy who can still come up big when they have to even when they don't have their best stuff. Disregard that they were among the first he played in a year after major surgery. Yeah he was bad against the Raiders and Tampa the first time. But he was fine in the second game since we ran for 300 yards. How great will anyone be or have to be. Then he sucks in the playoffs after coming off another come from behind victory over the Saints to win the division on the road.

Seriously how about looking at reality instead of a skewed version of the facts to fit your biases. Your unwillingness to see the other side of the equation when others concede the bad games is why you lose credibility. Too extreme to be given credence.

And even then it is off topic. This was supposed to be a Moore thread not another I am still mad at Jake thread. Most of us have moved on, you should too. Nothing will change the past or change that Jake will be the starter no matter what you want or who we draft or pick up. And we might not make any changes at all.

[KillerKat]

That is ridiculous. Jake was money at the end against both San Diego and Chicago. Both come from behind wins. The mark of a good quarterback is the same as a good pitcher. A guy who can still come up big when they have to even when they don't have their best stuff. Disregard that they were among the first he played in a year after major surgery. Yeah he was bad against the Raiders and Tampa the first time. But he was fine in the second game since we ran for 300 yards. How great will anyone be or have to be. Then he sucks in the playoffs after coming off another come from behind victory over the Saints to win the division on the road.

Seriously how about looking at reality instead of a skewed version of the facts to fit your biases. Your unwillingness to see the other side of the equation when others concede the bad games is why you lose credibility. Too extreme to be given credence.

I suggest you look at reality.

Yeah he played good on the last drive of the game vs San Diego, but before that he wasn't completing passes. He finished 23 of 41.

Vs Chicago he finished with a rating of 55.3 with an interception.

In Minessota he had 3 fumbles! One returned for a TD when he was hit on his front side after having all day to throw and looking down a receiver.

2 interceptions in our second meeting vs the Bucs with a 73.5% rating isnt bad according to you? Yeah our running game was great, but thats not what we're talking about here. In both Bucs games he had a combined 5 interceptions.

Then his career worst games vs the Raiders and Cards.

...And Im the one looking at a "skewed version of the facts" to support my opinion. Yeah right. You should look at the facts before saying others haven't. You're too blind. That's why you lose credibility to me.

[panthers55]

I suggest you look at reality.

Yeah he played good on the last drive of the game vs San Diego, but before that he wasn't completing passes. He finished 23 of 41.

Vs Chicago he finished with a rating of 55.3 with an interception.

In Minessota he had 3 fumbles! One returned for a TD when he was hit on his front side after having all day to throw and looking down a receiver.

2 interceptions in our second meeting vs the Bucs with a 73.5% rating isnt bad according to you? Yeah our running game was great, but thats not what we're talking about here. In both Bucs games he had a combined 5 interceptions.

Then his career worst games vs the Raiders and Cards.

...And Im the one looking at a "skewed version of the facts" to support my opinion. Yeah right. You should look at the facts before saying others haven't. You're too blind. That's why you lose credibility to me.

As I get reminded ever time I use stats to back me up, they prove whatever you want them to. Against the Chargers he finished 23 of 41 which is 56%, certainly not a bad percentage. And he had 5 drives of 55 yards or longer which was 3 more than San Diego mustered all day. And he came back to win it with no time left in the game and you think it was a bad game for Jake. And that is just one game. The problem is that you are looking at stats to support your position instead of looking at the facts and then creating an opinion. That is why they are skewed and you lose credibility.

[KillerKat]

As I get reminded ever time I use stats to back me up, they prove whatever you want them to. Against the Chargers he finished 23 of 41 which is 56%, certainly not a bad percentage. And he had 5 drives of 55 yards or longer which was 3 more than San Diego mustered all day. And he came back to win it with no time left in the game and you think it was a bad game for Jake. And that is just one game. The problem is that you are looking at stats to support your position instead of looking at the facts and then creating an opinion. That is why they are skewed and you lose credibility.

I only used the stats to support what I said. I said he had 8 bad games, then you say my opinion is ridiculous. Then when i use stats to support my statement, you say I have no opinion. Make up your mind!

Whatever. You can think what you want, but I am not playing your game! You deviate from my statements and attack the credibility of it without refuting what I said head on. I've seen all the games and created my own opinion.

You may be able to use stats to say that San Diego game was a good game by Jake. I'll give you that, since that last throw he had was a game winner. For me, I choose to judge the WHOLE GAME of a player, not just a last second throw. But you can't honestly say that the other 7 games I mentioned were not bad games by Jake.

[panthers55]

I only used the stats to support what I said. I said he had 8 bad games, then you say my opinion is ridiculous. Then when i use stats to support my statement, you say I have no opinion. Make up your mind!

Whatever. You can think what you want, but I am not playing your game! You deviate from my statements and attack the credibility of it without refuting what I said head on. I've seen all the games and created my own opinion.

You may be able to use stats to say that San Diego game was a good game by Jake. I'll give you that, since that last throw he had was a game winner. For me, I choose to judge the WHOLE GAME of a player, not just a last second throw. But you can't honestly say that the other 7 games I mentioned were not bad games by Jake.

Selective stats to justify your point while ignoring more important stats like game winning drives. Your kind of argument is why Fox says stats are for losers. Using them to justify your opinion while ignoring larger issues is a smokescreeen to obscure the truth is that jake won the game for us plain and simple. So to say he had a bad game is ridiculous. He was good when the game was on the line which is more important than a few incomplete passes in the first half for example.

And yes with the exception of the games we all noted which was Tampa 1, Minnesota in the second half, Oakland all day and the playoff disaster, Jake was a winner and had a number of game winning drives. Some games we ran the ball, other we passed. But Jake was solid for the most part.

Wanna talk Chicago?

Jake goes 12 for 21 for 128, 0 TDs, one tipped ball and a passer rating of 55.3. Awful right???? Not if you look beyond the surface. The Panthers scored 17 unanswered point in the 3rd and fourth quarter to win the game. Jake during that span was 8-12 for most of his yards and would have had a TD but King went down at the 1. He was good against a tough defense when the game was on the line. And the defense helped alot by shutting out the Bears and giving the offense good field posiion. A Steelers kind of game. Good when you have to be regardless of the surface. Getting the ball with 6 minutes left and driving 55 yards in 3 minutes for the go ahead score and eventual game winner. So we end up 2-0 to begin the season all without our best receiver Steve Smith. Yeah Jake had a bad game for sure.

Wanna talk Minnesota. Jake is 17 for 29 for 58% completion rate, for 191 yards and a 78 passer rating. Better huh? The stats you claim are so telling would say so but it wasn't a good game because we only scored 10 points and none in the second half.

The stats that matters are points and game winning drives and in that we didn't get the job done. Again 2 more examples where your stats as you describe them are useless.

We could go on for ever and I doubt you would get it. So suffice it to say that I won't waste anymore time since it surely won't change your mind and you will claim a hollow victory as usual.

But consider when only a fringe few agree with you, that you are one reconstructing reality not the rest of us.

[PanthersFanInGA]

I don't see Moore benefiting Carolina in anyway whatsoever.