If Luck Doesn't declare...

[PantherFanForLife]

he could and i like him, but the missing a year could hurt his stock.

If Luck doesnt declare you have to take the best on the board and honestly, that's either Fairley, Green or Peterson.

Green is easily the best bet for me. We have been searching for another great WR longer than we have for a QB.

[MWCarolina]

Before Vick was sent to prison, he very seriously was reshaping the QB position. He wasn't the best passer, no, but his ability to break lose made him dangerous. He was in a league of his own. .

BUT his passing sucked and in Atlanta all he did was see his first read, didnt like it and ran, sometimes he did make a read, but that was rare in Atlanta.

Now... that being said... yes, you're right. He is smaller and slightly faster than Newton. But their style is similar. Newton breaks loose when a coverage is busting a play.

their play isnt all that similar because Vick's faster he could outrun pro linebackers and safeties, i dont see Newton doing that.

Compare that to Young... Vince sits in the pocket too long. Besides, Newton is a better passer. He's a better player all the way around than Young.

Newton is a better player than Young, but Young is more accurate and their speed is similar and Newton will open himself to injuries when he runs 10 or more times which i expect him to do if he starts too soon.

[MWCarolina]

Newton has all the necessary tool to excel and dominate at the next level. Nothing is going to get us back to NFL relevance faster than a QB. They should draft Cam Newton if Luck chooses not to come out. The man is a Heisman winner and will put on a show this weekend in a shoot-out with Oregon.

the hype on Cam Newton is too much, i just dont see why everyone thinks he can start on day one and light it up, at best he will win 5 games in his rookie year and possibly hurt himself, plus he could be hard to pay as well, i am sure his daddy will want alot of money. i am not as big a fan of Newton as everyone else, sure he won a Heisman, but he's also playing in a spread offense which wont work in the NFL and he will have to make better reads and improve his footwork.

[HeatCheck]

i see no value in drafting a quarterback whose not ready to start in the NFL, Green does have value because he's a playmaker at reciever and i bet Al Davis is kicking himself for passing on Calvin Johnson at number one.

that year off though is what hurt him, scouts may fear that he's out of shape and could be rusty and end up like Mike Williams.

So you're okay with Clausen throwing to Green? After seeing Jimmy this year, albeit a tough situation, he has not proven to me that he can get the job done. Unless you are expecting to draft some QB in the 3rd round that you think will save this team.

[OnlyPantherFaninMaine]

the hype on Cam Newton is too much, i just dont see why everyone thinks he can start on day one and light it up, at best he will win 5 games in his rookie year and possibly hurt himself, plus he could be hard to pay as well, i am sure his daddy will want alot of money. i am not as big a fan of Newton as everyone else, sure he won a Heisman, but he's also playing in a spread offense which wont work in the NFL and he will have to make better reads and improve his footwork.

I tend to agree, I just don't see us having the ability to trade the pick (not saying you did) and I see more upside in Cam and feel he's just less of a reach than some other positions of need. Maybe its just the thought of another season with Clausen :eek:

[MWCarolina]

So you're okay with Clausen throwing to Green? After seeing Jimmy this year, albeit a tough situation, he has not proven to me that he can get the job done. Unless you are expecting to draft some QB in the 3rd round that you think will save this team.

yep, i am ok with that because if he still stinks it up, we should have the top pick in 2012 which means we could get Luck or Matt Barkley, plus you can also use a 7th round pick on Mitch Mustain and hope he's the next Matt Cassel, but i just dont think you gamble the number one overall pick on Cam Newton who will have to make a transition from College Spread to NFL pro style where he will have to make more reads and run only when he has to.

[MWCarolina]

I tend to agree, I just don't see us having the ability to trade the pick (not saying you did) and I see more upside in Cam and feel he's just less of a reach than some other positions of need. Maybe its just the thought of another season with Clausen :eek:

i agree seeing another year with Clausen isnt great, but you dont draft on just need alone, you got to look at both need and best player on the board and the panthers need a cornerback, defensive tackle or 3-4 end and of course reciever and quarterback and i dont see Newton as the best QB in the draft.

[HeatCheck]

yep, i am ok with that because if he still stinks it up, we should have the top pick in 2012 which means we could get Luck or Matt Barkley, plus you can also use a 7th round pick on Mitch Mustain and hope he's the next Matt Cassel, but i just dont think you gamble the number one overall pick on Cam Newton who will have to make a transition from College Spread to NFL pro style where he will have to make more reads and run only when he has to.

Well that to me means that was a wasted 1st round pick and of no value. Why pick Green when Clausen will "stink it up." That doesn't make any sense to me. Our WRs showed more promise than Clausen this year.

And we aren't guaranteed to get the 1st pick next year.

[blackcatgrowl]

BUT his passing sucked and in Atlanta all he did was see his first read, didnt like it and ran, sometimes he did make a read, but that was rare in Atlanta.

I wouldn't say Vick's passing "sucked". He wasn't Tom Brady, but he was about as good as Delhomme.

In fact, lets compare.

Career wise, Vick has a 80.2 Rating with a 55.3 completion percentage.

Delhomme has a 81.2 rating with a 59.3 completion percentage.

Very similar. Delhomme, speaking from a career stand point, didn't "suck". He just wasn't elite.

their play isnt all that similar because Vick's faster he could outrun pro linebackers and safeties, i dont see Newton doing that.

This is pure speculation. Besides, Netwon doesn't have to run 40 yards to be effective. Just about 6 to 8 to keep our offense sustaining drives.

Newton is a better player than Young, but Young is more accurate and their speed is similar and Newton will open himself to injuries when he runs 10 or more times which i expect him to do if he starts too soon.

Are you basing on that on stats? Cause if so, you're wrong. Lets look at their senior years:

Cam Newton has a 67.1 completion percentage and 28 TD to 6 Ints.

Vince Young had a 65.2 completion percentage and 26 TD to 10 Ints.

There's no way you can say Young is more accurate than Newton.

[MWCarolina]

Well that to me means that was a wasted 1st round pick and of no value. Why pick Green when Clausen will "stink it up." That doesn't make any sense to me. Our WRs showed more promise than Clausen this year.

And we aren't guaranteed to get the 1st pick next year.

If Clausen stinks it up like you think he will then Carolina will have the number one pick again and our recievers have shown promise THEN shown they suck too. Example, LaFell has made some big catches, but then dropped a nice deep pass in the Atlanta game. Gettis doesnt know how to do a jump ball in the NFL yet, so there.

Now to Newton, what if he goes 3 and 13 and we have the top pick in 2012??? I cant see him winning like people think, i cant see him having a year like Vick did, he's not as fast as Vick, his speed reminds me of Vince Young's. Newton also maybe hard to sign.

[HeatCheck]

All I am saying is we've already seen what Clausen can do, and he is not the answer IMO. To me it seems like you're still giving him a chance. Which is okay, but that's just not how I view it.

After Luck, Newton is the QB I would look to. You're not gonna find anyone of Newton's caliber in the 3rd round. And again if Clausen sucks, that doesn't mean we are guaranteed the #1 pick.

[MWCarolina]

I wouldn't say Vick's passing "sucked". He wasn't Tom Brady, but he was about as good as Delhomme. In fact, lets compare.

Career wise, Vick has a 80.2 Rating with a 55.3 completion percentage.

Delhomme has a 81.2 rating with a 59.3 completion percentage.

Vick's passes (in Atlanta) usually were short passes, most of what Vick did wrong in Atlanta was he read a play and ran.

This is pure speculation. Besides, Netwon doesn't have to run 40 yards to be effective. Just about 6 to 8 to keep our offense sustaining drives.

that's all you can do when you look at drafts and honestly, i dont see him doing much 6 to 8 yard runs either and if he does, he will do it likely 10 or more times which means he will be hurt, alot.

Are you basing on that on stats? Cause if so, you're wrong.

no, i look at how Young throws in the pros and his motion isnt pretty, but it's usually accurate, his deep balls are the issue. Whenever he throws beyond 23yards, it's usually a bad play for Young.

[blackcatgrowl]

Now to Newton, what if he goes 3 and 13 and we have the top pick in 2012??? I cant see him winning like people think, i cant see him having a year like Vick did, he's not as fast as Vick, his speed reminds me of Vince Young's. Newton also maybe hard to sign.

If we go 3-13, we're one game better off than we were. Not what I want, but if we bring in Newton and he gives us one more win, and is showing flashes of greatness the whole time, I'll say we upgraded the position over Clausen.

As far as getting him to sign... all we need to do is send a 6-digit check to his dad. Problem solved.

[MWCarolina]

All I am saying is we've already seen what Clausen can do, and he is not the answer IMO. To me it seems like you're still giving him a chance. Which is okay, but that's just not how I view it.

i am giving Clausen more of a chance than Newton who i think isnt ready to start in the NFL on day one. i think Newton should spend a year on the bench like The Golden Calf of Bristol did.

After Luck, Newton is the QB I would look to. You're not gonna find anyone of Newton's caliber in the 3rd round. And again if Clausen sucks, that doesn't mean we are guaranteed the #1 pick.

not for me, my best QB after Luck is honestly Locker, i know he doesnt make good decisions, but he's played in a pro style offense, can run too and he has a good arm, just needs good coaching and after Locker, it's either Gabbert or Mallett in my book, but i worry about Gabbert's offense he's been in and his mechanics and i worry that Mallett is a slower version of Jay Cutler.