A thought regarding the coaching choices

[Mr. Scot]

Anyone willing to look at Tom Clements as a Head Coach?

Don't know that he has any buzz in the league.

[panthers55]

I think Rivera would be a good choice. He is familiar with 3-4 and 4-3 systems and has worked for Jim Johnson so he might have some of the positives of a Sean McDermott but has more experience, would be able to recruit a number of candidates given he has played in several systems and for different organizations. Plus he is pretty good at limiting other teams passing attack which is a must in the NFC South. THe Chargers were first in overall defense, 1st in pass defense, and 4th in rushing defense in 2010.

One factor I suspect will be how players like him and how well he works with the FO and his staff. One big question is why so many other teams have passed over him in the past.

Still if you want a defensive coordinator who knows what he is doing, Rivera seems to be a good one. Especially if you are tired of the old bend don't break philosophy that Fewell will use. I, for one, would welcome a tough aggressive guy running the show.

[PantherBrew]

Don't know that he has any buzz in the league.

I wonder why seems to be smart and successful.

I guess he doesn't have the personality.

[Mr. Scot]

I think Rivera would be a good choice. He is familiar with 3-4 and 4-3 systems and has worked for Jim Johnson so he might have some of the positives of a Sean McDermott but has more experience, would be able to recruit a number of candidates given he has played in several systems and for different organizations. Plus he is pretty good at limiting other teams passing attack which is a must in the NFC South. THe Chargers were first in overall defense, 1st in pass defense, and 4th in rushing defense in 2010.

One factor I suspect will be how players like him and how well he works with the FO and his staff. One big question is why so many other teams have passed over him in the past.

Still if you want a defensive coordinator who knows what he is doing, Rivera seems to be a good one. Especially if you are tired of the old bend don't break philosophy that Fewell will use. I, for one, would welcome a tough aggressive guy running the show.

Rivera is very aggressive, especially when it comes to stripping the ball. He was the main reason why Chris Harris was so good at that when he came here.

[Mr. Scot]

I wonder why seems to be smart and successful.

I guess he doesn't have the personality.

From what I've read, you do have to be at least something of a self-promoter. He might not be.

(other guys have lagged out of failure to do that)

[Anybodyhome]

NFL Anti-Tampering Policy 6

The following special provisions apply to various categories of non-player employees:

• Head Coaches.

These rules govern cases involving head coaches:

�� Under Contract. During a club’s playing season, including postseason if

applicable (excluding Pro Bowl), the following actions are prohibited

concerning a head coach who is under contract, unless the involved head

coach has been dismissed by his club:

(1) No head coach may discuss or

accept employment for the current or a future season with another club in the League;

(2) no club may request permission to discuss employment with a

head coach for the current or a future season; and

(3) no employer club may grant another club permission to discuss employment with its head coach for the current or a future season. The prohibition in number (1) above also applies in the off-season, unless the coach’s contract has expired or has been terminated, or his club has granted him permission to explore other employment opportunities, or his club has granted another club the opportunity to contact him. In the off-season, no club is obligated to grant another club permission to discuss employment with its head coach if the head coach is under contract; provided, however, that a head coach may negotiate into his contract a right to such off-season permission. Clubs may negotiate a right of first-refusal into a head coach’s contract.

�� Expired Contract. If the contract of the head coach has expired, the employer club must not deny the coach the opportunity to discuss or accept employment with another club.

�� Protocol. Any contacts by a club seeking to employ a head coach—either with the employer club of the person sought, or directly with the club

employee sought (or his representative)—are subject to the provisions of the

section on “Protocol,” page 5. Similarly, contacts by club employees seeking

head coaching jobs with other clubs are subject to the provisions of the

section on “Protocol.” Despite provisions of the “Protocol” section, page 5,

all in-season discussions, requests for permission, or contacts of any kind

concerning the future employment of a head coach with a club other than his

employer club are prohibited.

�� Contract Requirement. All head coaches in the NFL must be under contract to perform coaching duties at training camps and during the rest of the playing season. Any head coach not under contract by the time preseason training camp begins will not be permitted to participate in practice sessions, game coaching, and other team activities until his written contract is executed and approved by the League office.

Ref: http://www.insidefootball.com/antitamperingpolicy.pdf

Sorry, it's a pdf. file and they can be a pain to format-fit into a post...

[ladypanther]

He said "assistants" and never "coordinator" when talking about past and possible coaches....right?

So, what assistant(s), who is not a coordinator, might be on the list...and in the playoffs?

[Mr. Scot]

He said "assistants" and never "coordinator" when talking about past and possible coaches....right?

So, what assistant(s), who is not a coordinator, might be on the list...and in the playoffs?

"Assistants" is very generic. It can mean coordinators too.

As far as names, Winston Moss comes to mind. Maybe Todd Bowles or Ray Horton.

[Mr. Scot]

Add Rob Ryan and Greg Manusky to the list, and if Gantt is right, that's the pool.

Bruce Arians has been mentioned, and it's still possible the league could talk to him or McDermott, but not looking like it.

Four head coaching options, and none coming from teams that made the playoffs this year (two weren't even close).

[FuzzyPanther]

Four head coaching options, and none coming from teams that made the playoffs this year (two weren't even close).

Normally see your points as extremely accurate and thought-provoking. Failing to see what you're driving at here...

I guess my questions for you on this are as follows:

1) Chicken v. Egg (Coach v. Players): Teams need quality players at starting positions, and quality at depth. (How much can a can "Lombardi" do with unqualified players?)

2) If the HC is "hands on" and controls every aspect allowed (micro-manager), then I suppose he becomes the prime point for blame/praise. If he is capable of delegating responsibility, and his prime purpose is choosing the coaching staff beneath him, and holding them accountable for their areas of expertise, then why does his previous team's record really hold any predictive qualities towards his future success?

3) Statistically speaking (this is a challenge that I'm not up to researching), what is the record of previous: 1-Assistant Coaches w/ winning/playoff records from their previous team VS. 2-Assistant Coaches w/ losing records from their previous team, when they are hired as HC's with a different team. Let's make it over the next few years with new team. Is there any correlation between the two? What does it suggest? I can think of a few Assistants from winning programs that have done very poorly as HC's in recent years off the top of my head.

Just curious as to your thoughts?

[Mr. Scot]

Normally see your points as extremely accurate and thought-provoking. Failing to see what you're driving at here...

I guess my questions for you on this are as follows:

1) Chicken v. Egg (Coach v. Players): Teams need quality players at starting positions, and quality at depth. (How much can a can "Lombardi" do with unqualified players?)

2) If the HC is "hands on" and controls every aspect allowed (micro-manager), then I suppose he becomes the prime point for blame/praise. If he is capable of delegating responsibility, and his prime purpose is choosing the coaching staff beneath him, and holding them accountable for their areas of expertise, then why does his previous team's record really hold any predictive qualities towards his future success?

3) Statistically speaking (this is a challenge that I'm not up to researching), what is the record of previous: 1-Assistant Coaches w/ winning/playoff records from their previous team VS. 2-Assistant Coaches w/ losing records from their previous team, when they are hired as HC's with a different team. Let's make it over the next few years with new team. Is there any correlation between the two? What does it suggest? I can think of a few Assistants from winning programs that have done very poorly as HC's in recent years off the top of my head.

Just curious as to your thoughts?

1. That argument's never going to be resolved, honestly.

2. Good coaches sometimes coach on bad teams. That's what we have to hope for here.

3. I don't know that anyone's broken that down, but I'm not going to try either.

[Ruff]

Well, Rivera did have the number one rated defense in the NFL. That says something, right?

[Mr. Scot]

Well, Rivera did have the number one rated defense in the NFL. That says something, right?

It definitely does.

Manusky though? Eeeeehhh... :sosp:

[Ruff]

It definitely does.

Manusky though? Eeeeehhh... :sosp:

Yeah, the Manusky interview is sort of mind-boggling.