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Top insider Tony Pauline 2-round mock draft (Panthers love Mykel Williams and will take him)


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2 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

i think its funny how Burns was considered an overrated limited player on here for so long to now other players dont have a higher ceiling then him.

Idk man for a long time there were people who gave Burns the benefit of the doubt. I think really it's about learning and adapting going forward. We already can't draft worth a damn. If we're targeting pass rushers we need to reconsider past approaches and try something different so we don't keep ending up in the same conundrum.

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2 minutes ago, frankw said:

Idk man for a long time there were people who gave Burns the benefit of the doubt. I think really it's about learning and adapting going forward. We already can't draft worth a damn. If we're targeting pass rushers we need to reconsider past approaches and try something different so we don't keep ending up in the same conundrum.

Well That was a very small number and i was one of them.

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5 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

Burns has never filled out his frame and worked on his torque to become a relevant run blocker. But because of his pass rush skills (minus his missed sacks/bad angles), you’re stuck putting out there on running downs needing to overcompensate elsewhere on your front-7 in run defense. Frustrating to have. 

When the boom/busts that have the run defense floor, it’s a bit more manageable than having teams just gash us for 5.0+ ypc consistently with some flashy guy whiffing on sacks, eventually getting to 8-10 on the season.

I agree. If you at least have a baseline as a good or great run defender, then you can at least be a functional rotational defender. But, some teams would argue the opposite in that their one trick pony passer rusher serve the inverse purpose.

But, a lot of these reasons are why I want to trade down and take some of the heat off of that "top 10 pick" luster. Also want to add more top 90/100 draft capital, obviously. Then maybe we get into the range where some of the actual higher end SKILL level pass rushers like Green or Ezeiruaku are. IMO, those are guys with way, way, WAY higher floors than a lot of the other prospects that are linked to us.

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2 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Well That was a very small number and i was one of them.

I was too. I bought his talk of being a leader heading into 2023 and was excited as well. Ultimately that and the hype never amounted to a hill of beans. We got bamboozled. That man is sitting on what should be generational wealth now. He's doing just fine I assure you. Let's just hope Dan Morgan and Brandt Tilis are better equipped to identify talented defensive linemen who are also motivated to win.

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14 hours ago, MHS831 said:

How is it that everyone knows who the Panthers like 2 weeks before the draft?  We have had no visits, etc. with him--where are they getting these vibes?

Some media sources look at the team needs and recent moves to come to a conclusion.  Then it snow balls until most of them agree to become a consensus of majority.  I don’t think anyone knows really what will happen.  The Panthers have recently signed edge players in the 6-4 260 type mold which leads me to believe they are looking at Mykel.  If they took McMillan it shouldn’t shock anyone cuz we were speculating to begin with 

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1 hour ago, CPF4LIFE said:

i think its funny how Burns was considered an overrated limited player on here for so long to now other players dont have a higher ceiling then him.

That's what happens when you don't come close to that ceiling. You are an overrated, limited player or, much worse, a bust.

This class is loaded with talent and loaded with flawed prospects. It's gonna be more of a gamble than normal.

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1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

That's what happens when you don't come close to that ceiling. You are an overrated, limited player or, much worse, a bust.

This class is loaded with talent and loaded with flawed prospects. It's gonna be more of a gamble than normal.

Yeah, weird class. Light on top tier talent but overall I think it's deep with NFL talent. 

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8 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

I agree. If you at least have a baseline as a good or great run defender, then you can at least be a functional rotational defender. But, some teams would argue the opposite in that their one trick pony passer rusher serve the inverse purpose.

But, a lot of these reasons are why I want to trade down and take some of the heat off of that "top 10 pick" luster. Also want to add more top 90/100 draft capital, obviously. Then maybe we get into the range where some of the actual higher end SKILL level pass rushers like Green or Ezeiruaku are. IMO, those are guys with way, way, WAY higher floors than a lot of the other prospects that are linked to us.

Yeah in a dream scenario, someone trades with us, ahead of NO for Sanders.  That, or 1 of the 2 top OLs are our only shots at a trade down IMO.  Basically, that would be PIT or long shot SEA or LAR.   

We land someone like Ezeiruaku, then with added picks, have the assets to get more immediate impact guys.

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53 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

Yeah in a dream scenario, someone trades with us, ahead of NO for Sanders.  That, or 1 of the 2 top OLs are our only shots at a trade down IMO.  Basically, that would be PIT or long shot SEA or LAR.   

We land someone like Ezeiruaku, then with added picks, have the assets to get more immediate impact guys.

That is my dream scenario, as well.

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