To the delusionsal regarding Pep: Sack stats don't lie!

[mantal]

Peppers is one of the greatest atheletes to ever play the game of football.

That said if he had half the desire of Steve Smith he would be one of the greatest defensive ends to ever play the game of football.

Absolutely true, but with great ability become great expectations. Peppers hasn't delivered on that lately. I'm a huge Tar Heel fan and was wanting the best for Peppers, but I have to think back into the past and realize that football never was his big love. He loved basketball best, but gave it up after his junior year to concentrate on football because he was advised to as being the place he would make the money.

That being said, I still want Peppers on this team. I think he's still one of the best DEs in the league regardless of how so many have turned on him. Unfortunately, I doubt that happens...

[Jangler]

The draft picks that we get will help to bandaid the wound that some of us will have when he leaves. I will miss him, but I am not gonna cry.

[joemac]

Haha

[rayzor]

It is what it is....Pep is gone. We have to deal with it. The draft picks that we get will help to bandaid the wound that some of us will have when he leaves. I will miss him, but I am not gonna cry.

agreed.

i just don't know what good it does anyone to keep whining and complaining over what we are going to be losing when ever pep goes. if you can't get over it, get counseling. if you think that the team is going to suffer greatly because he is going to be gone, you are delusional. If you think that he is right for leaving and you are more upset with the panthers than pep for leaving, go ahead with him.

btw...can we please merge this thread and the other pep threads out here with the stickied one?

too many dead horses getting beat.

[tight lines]

:beatdeadhorse5:

[bleys]

Look! Because we have had so many posts about Pep being lazy, taking plays off, being handled by one guy, blah blah blah, I feel the need to shed a little statistical light on his career so far. I guess this can be deemed just another Peppers thread, where you can love him or hate him, but at least it does have some evidence to be judged, and is based on something more than general and/or baseless opinions.

Pep's career stats vs all-time sack leaders

Bruce Smith and Reggie White are in their own class, but Pep has the realistic possibility of reaching and surpassing Kevin Greene, Chris Doleman and Michael Strahan.

Pep has a chance to be a top five sack leader of all time. This is great considering that he has not been used as efficiently as possible in our current defensive schemes, and perhaps the 3-4 (or another aggressive scheme) will allow him to at least match or surpass what he has already done. Actually, if Pep plays nine more years and averages 10 sacks per year (like he already has), he will be tied with Kevin Greene. Even if Pep plays another 7 years, which is reasonable, considering that the leaders have played anywhere from 14-18 years, he will probably catch some of them. He will most likely be a top 10 performer. If the way that that he played last season, along with his desire to reach his full potential, is any indication, then he will be third on the list sooner than that. Moreover, even his tackles are in the same ballpark as some of the other sack leaders.

Pep is not always "in the play", I admit, but who is? Really? Some plays are not going to come his way, and sometimes he is going to be handled by the opposition (just as any player is). But, just because you don't hear his name called does not mean he isn't making a contribution as has been attested to by some of his very important teammates. Furthermore, in my estimation, a lot of Pep's supposed lack of productivity due to exaggerated expectations is the fault of the coaches and/or the defensive schemes that are called during the games.

Stats don't lie. Even when you compare the first seven years of the leaders' careers, you will find that Pep's numbers are pretty much in line with everyone not named Smith and White. Now, of course if you feel that Pep should be putting up Smith and White numbers, then maybe you have a valid argument, but you should also take into account the different defensive coaching and philosophy. Even still, his numbers are higher than most, and his productivity is not the kind to be dumped on.

This is my last word on Pep's performance. I am one of those who would like to see him stay, hate that he has to leave, but understands that business is business. Overall, I just don't think that it's intellectually honest to dump on Pep because of his play because, barring injury, he will probably be one of the all time greats before his NFL days come to an end. After all of this, if you still fail to appreciate what Peppers has done, then no one can tell you anything more about him that will change your mind. You're just hatin', pure and simple.

That is interesting you pointed that out. I think most here saying if he had the heart of Smitty or Dan Morgan, he'd be in a class all by himself.

[top dawg]

I am not at all surprised that some of you fail to appreciate how a thread filled with links that aid in being objective about Pep's overall performance is not about horse beating---dead or otherwise. The central focus is really not about bitching, whining, or complaining, it's about putting all the whining, bitching and complaining to the test when viewed from a statistical and historical perspective.

On a related note: In regards to Pep leaving, fans have two choices. You can show him your ass, or show him some class. I would tend to do the latter, and when looking at the overall picture, my feelings are supported.

[rayzor]

:beatdeadhorse5:

QFT, baby.

[rayzor]

I am not at all surprised that some of you fail to appreciate how a thread filled with links that aid in being objective about Pep's overall performance is not about horse beating---dead or otherwise. The central focus is really not about bitching, whining, or complaining, it's about putting all the whining, bitching and complaining to the test when viewed from a statistical and historical perspective.

On a related note: In regards to Pep leaving, fans have two choices. You can show him your ass, or show him some class. I would tend to do the latter, and when looking at the overall picture, my feelings are supported.

i'd rather him look at mine than me look at his, either way someone is going to be looking at someone's posterior. the one not looking is the one moving ahead which is what i prefer to do and what i'd rather the panthers do.

[Pimpdaddy]

First seven seasons, White clocked in at 110, Smith 79 and Pep 70.... White and Smith were game changers.... Pep's a good athlete with no motor....

[Fox007]

i'd rather him look at mine than me look at his, either way someone is going to be looking at someone's posterior. the one not looking is the one moving ahead which is what i prefer to do and what i'd rather the panthers do.

Yea, it is never possible for both parties to have class, or to leave with everyone on good terms.

I think you have made it clear the type of person you are, but not everyone is that dull.(or shallow)

[rayzor]

Yea, it is never possible for both parties to have class, or to leave with everyone on good terms.

I think you have made it clear the type of person you are, but not everyone is that dull.(or shallow)

thanks for your psychological analysis but i'm simply not wanting to sit around and dwell on what could have been or things that don't matter.

i'm not saying that we need to be parting on good terms or bad terms. we are parting and that's all that matters. let each party just move on and make the best of it. the only party i am concerned with is the panthers. screw everyone else.

not sure that qualifies as being shallow. i think it does qualify as being pragmatic. our concern is where we are going from now. peppers isn't a part of that. why talk about it?

having said that i am done.

continue on with your scheduled pining over peppers.

when you feel like moving on, join the rest of the fans who are more concerned with tomorrow than yesterday.

[Fox007]

thanks for your hack psychological analysis but i'm simply not wanting to sit around and dwell on what could have been or things that don't matter.

i'm not saying that we need to be parting on good terms or bad terms. we are parting and that's all that matters. let each party just move on and make the best of it. the only party i am concerned with is the panthers. screw everyone else.

not sure that qualifies as being shallow. i think it does qualify as being pragmatic. our concern is where we are going from now. peppers isn't a part of that. why talk about it?

having said that i am done.

continue on with your scheduled pining over peppers.

when you feel like moving on, join the rest of the fans who are more concerned with tomorrow than yesterday.

Hey you said it, if you go around just trying to be the ass shower, of course your gonna have some ass in your face.

I don't pin? ping? whatever you were trying to say over peppers, and I am not sure how my post which said nothing about peppers would indicate that but I have several posts on the subject.

Posts which would indicate that I have moved on, a long time ago actually. I don't spend my time whining because Peppers is leaving.

At the same time I know his loss will be huge, but not insurmountable.

At the other same time, he has the right to leave, and you still by your post are torn up over it, so really you haven't moved on.

You keep posting about him ditching us leaving us, and what not.

You should be concerned with the party of Peppers, because that party could potentially equal first round picks for the Panthers party.

Some people won't grasp that what Peppers is doing isn't wrong, and isn't a slight.

That is just the way it is, nothing about loving or BJSB or w/e that gayness yall say is. Just the truth, accept it.

[bleys]

thanks for your psychological analysis but i'm simply not wanting to sit around and dwell on what could have been or things that don't matter.

i'm not saying that we need to be parting on good terms or bad terms. we are parting and that's all that matters. let each party just move on and make the best of it. the only party i am concerned with is the panthers. screw everyone else.

not sure that qualifies as being shallow. i think it does qualify as being pragmatic. our concern is where we are going from now. peppers isn't a part of that. why talk about it?

having said that i am done.

continue on with your scheduled pining over peppers.

when you feel like moving on, join the rest of the fans who are more concerned with tomorrow than yesterday.

I agree completely.

It seems that people are unable to appreciate what someone did for a franchise AND move on to the future at the same time.

Just because people point out Pepper's could have been GREAT, instead of just being really good, doesn't mean they are letting Pep leave while trashing his name. If you see that as fact, then you're just calling it how ya see it.

It IS possible to see two sides of a story.

I think Pep was a huge player for this team, we will miss him, but in no way am I crying because he doesn't want to be here. Appreciate his time here, and move on.

Now, we sign Gross. Franchise Pep. And get what we can for this player who we drafted....