Do you trust hurney

[Panths]

And how come every 6th round pick thats starting and playing pretty well (Captain, Hardy, Gettis) doesn't compensate the earlier picks that you deem bad? We don't know how Brown will turn out, especially when he was improving when he got hurt. It's funny how when early picks don't "pan out" (as in no probowl in rookie season, or whatever your qualifications are) Hurny gets lynched but when late round picks over-perform he's not given credit.

Quit being willfully ignorant to the fact that all the talent we have right now is through his drafting. Yea we didn't win this season but it's not for lack of talent on the team and I think we can all agree on that.

We need to get over this instant-gratification bullshit and have a little patience. There were too many factors contributing to this dismal season besides Hurney drafting Armanti. I have full faith that he'll choose wisely even if Luck doesn't come out.

[Pimpdaddy]

Great Story!

And no, I don't trust that @!#$ any further than I could throw him. When we picked up Clausen instead of getting a receiver this year, I screamed and raged. I backed down from that a bit, willing to give the kid a chance. Turns out, I was right to rage. He'll find some way of f**king up this draft.

Jayzus, I hope not. There is another tendency he has and thats to draft a player and turn him into another player at a different postions. The turn around on the payback is to long...

[Method]

To not screw things up this off season?

I bet every GM in the league started drooling when they saw that Hurney had his mitts on the #1 pick in the draft.

I have this vision of Hurney walking around in a big city as a lost child with the golden ticket hanging out his back pocket. Who then makes a wrong turn down a dimly lit alley, and as he's slowly walking along a sinister looking Bill Belichick steps out of the shadows and says... you look lost kid, a wide eyed Hurney slowly and softly says yeaaa.

Belichick look's around the alley then back at Hurney and says... what you got there boy? Hurney pulls out the golden ticket and replies with glee...it's the #1 pick mister!

Belichick then says ever used one of those before son? Hurney then says with a sheepiest look on his face... no sir.

Bill smiles put's his arm around Hurney and says come with me kid, then they slowly slip into the shadows.

Time goes by and Hurney doesn't show back up till the 3rd round of this years draft where he and his new friend Russ Grimm go to work with their new-found picks... DT,DE,OLB and a FG kicker to finish it off... THE END

I'm not reading that.

[Baschski]

Jayzus, I hope not. There is another tendency he has and thats to draft a player and turn him into another player at a different postions. The turn around on the payback is to long...

Yeah that worked out horribly with Thomas Davis. Man I really hate when we get Pro Bowl caliber linebackers...

[top dawg]

I don't necessarily think that Hurney screwed up last off season. He, like Fox, have done a decent job from my perspective in regards to making solid selections. Unlike many others, I have not given up on any of our young talent. Arguably, this past year had more to do with Jerry Richardson trying to position himself and the team for the CBA than the comprehensive failing of youngsters who didn't come out of the womb ready to become pros. IMO we just let too many vets go, and sent greenhorns out to battle, without proper defenses (or offenses---i.e., play calling) to battle against experienced, hardened vets. The whole perverse formula was a self-fulfilling prophecy. Hurney played the hand that he was basically dealt. I am not going to judge him by a few misfires, but the whole body of work, relative to other GMs during the same tenure.

[Baschski]

And how come every 6th round pick thats starting and playing pretty well (Captain, Hardy, Gettis) doesn't compensate the earlier picks that you deem bad? We don't know how Brown will turn out, especially when he was improving when he got hurt. It's funny how when early picks don't "pan out" (as in no probowl in rookie season, or whatever your qualifications are) Hurny gets lynched but when late round picks over-perform he's not given credit.

Quit being willfully ignorant to the fact that all the talent we have right now is through his drafting. Yea we didn't win this season but it's not for lack of talent on the team and I think we can all agree on that.

We need to get over this instant-gratification bullshit and have a little patience. There were too many factors contributing to this dismal season besides Hurney drafting Armanti. I have full faith that he'll choose wisely even if Luck doesn't come out.

Most intelligent post in this thread.

[blackcatgrowl]

Yeah that worked out horribly with Thomas Davis. Man I really hate when we get Pro Bowl caliber linebackers...

Yeah, too bad he can't stay healthy.

[blackcatgrowl]

Yeah that worked out horribly with Thomas Davis. Man I really hate when we get Pro Bowl caliber linebackers...

So Jerry Richardson told Hurney to draft Armanti Edwards as a Wide Receiver/Punt Returner?

[Baschski]

So Jerry Richardson told Hurney to draft Armanti Edwards as a Wide Receiver/Punt Returner?

No team in the NFL was going to draft Edwards as a QB. I'm not really sure what went on with that draft pick and, despite the fact that I was hoping we would draft him, I do think we took him too high. I believe others teams were trying to pick him and his stock was inflated. I also think a lot of his drafting had to do with the fact that he played at App and him being on the roster would generate a lot of revenue, but either way it's too early to tell if he's a player or not.

[blackcatgrowl]

No team in the NFL was going to draft Edwards as a QB. I'm not really sure what went on with that draft pick and, despite the fact that I was hoping we would draft him, I do think we took him too high. I believe others teams were trying to pick him and his stock was inflated. I also think a lot of his drafting had to do with the fact that he played at App and him being on the roster would generate a lot of revenue, but either way it's too early to tell if he's a player or not.

I think your post is a whole bunch of assumption except the part where we drafted him too high.

[MaineManPanther]

First off....stop slurping.

Secondly, It is very much like the man has not been trying to bring in a top tier QB. I said it before and I will say it again, if your answer to a horrid QB situation is bringing in Matt Moore and David Carr....you should be fired on the spot.

Getting into a cap situation where you had to extend a QB that was rapidly declining to be able to sign your rookies means you can't manage the cap well. That is on Hurney.

Yup, we have one of the best running games in the league, and what is our record? That's like saying that you have the best secondary in the NFL, who gives a f**k if you can't win games.

I can judge a draft pick from the moment the card is handed in, to the moment the player washes out of the league or retires, it's called being a fan.

As for the AE pick, it is certainly not too early to judge that pick. We were in a youth movement, and knew that we were going to be bad this year. At best that meant that we were using a 3rd and a mid to early 2nd on a player that was coming from D 2, and had to change position. It was and still is a horrible pick.

The Brown pick was not as bad, but still really really bad.

What does our record have to do with judging or saying our running game is top in the league? Regarless of where we are, the fact still stands, and it is in part thanks to drfating our two RB's.

You perfectley allowed to judge a pick, but you can't deny that you won't get a realistic view in most cases until a couple years.

As for the Brown pick, look at players like Connor, Anderson, and Johnson, all players that didnt start and breakout till there third year. Granted we didn't trade for them, but the fact remains that time is needed to judge.

[Pimpdaddy]

Yeah that worked out horribly with Thomas Davis. Man I really hate when we get Pro Bowl caliber linebackers...

It took 4-5 years to develop him and now he's busted up. If you want a linebacker draft one. I'm not disputing his worth now but it took to long to payoff while he was learning the position...

Refresh my memory, what years did he get a pro bowl selection?

[theedaddy]

yes, done fine. its a tough tough job

[Baschski]

It took 4-5 years to develop him and now he's busted up. If you want a linebacker draft one. I'm not disputing his worth now but it took to long to payoff while he was learning the position...

Refresh my memory, what years did he get a pro bowl selection?

I said Pro Bowl caliber, not Pro Bowler. That means he's good enough to make the Pro Bowl and he probably would have if he hadn't torn his ACL.