The Panthers are on the clock...

[Spaceballs83]

We dont draft a QB (Luck), then everybody in the NFL is going to be laughing their asses off, seeing probably the stupiest move every made by a NFL franchise, on passing Luck.

[Squirrel]

First... money is not an issue with this franchise. Enough of what transpired this offseason to all of the sudden declare the Panthers/JR is cheap.

Second, passing on Luck and should he become the next Peyton Manning would set this franchise back many more years than any other scenario. Even compared to the possibility he does become a bust.

JR not cheap but he wont tie up that much money on one player again. Taking Luck and him being a bust is bigger than passing on him and he being the next Manning. We need a QB but we dont need a Super QB. Just someone that can make the plays would be enough. We need a #1 WR along with a great DT. The second round pick we get would help the offensive line or Secondary.

[grateflday]

Neither we wont draft a QB.

Yeah because this "you dont need a top level QB to win in this league has worked real well for this franchise" :idea:

We dont draft a QB (Luck), then everybody in the NFL is going to be laughing their asses off, seeing probably the stupiest move every made by a NFL franchise, on passing Luck.

Exacetly.....

[Baschski]

Between Clausen, Armanti and a vet like Palmer or McNabb we won't need a guy like Luck. Trade down for a good DT and 12 2nd round picks.

[Squirrel]

Yeah because this "you dont need a top level QB to win in this league has worked real well for this franchise" :idea:

Exacetly.....

We had Jake for 7 years so what does that tell you. Like I said lets see what QB's become available in Free Agency. Vick,Mcnabb, and Palmer could all be available. Rather would grab one of them then a NFL unproven QB. Smart move is to trade down and do that.

[grateflday]

JR not cheap but he wont tie up that much money on one player again. Taking Luck and him being a bust is bigger than passing on him and he being the next Manning. We need a QB but we dont need a Super QB. Just someone that can make the plays would be enough. We need a #1 WR along with a great DT. The second round pick we get would help the offensive line or Secondary.

No way... sorry Squirrel, I totally disagree and think the opposite. Passing on Luck and having him turn out to be the next Manning would set this franchise back way more than should they take him and he turns out to be a bust.

Tying up money in a QB is ALOT different than in in just one player (ie a defensive end)

Finally, how has just having someone who can just make plays and "be good enough" worked out for this franchise lately?? Overall that results in limit success and maybe a good luck run once in awhile. So lets shoot for that instead of a Peyton type player who can lead his team to 10 plus winning seasons in a row, etc.

No thanks with just a good QB when the team has a shot at a true franchise guy. All those other positions are much easier to address via free agency and later round draft picks.

[Baschski]

Honestly, I'm hoping we trade our first rounder for The Golden Calf of Bristol and another 1st. Don't even tell me a double wild cat with The Golden Calf of Bristol and Armanti doesn't get you hard.

[grateflday]

We had Jake for 7 years so what does that tell you. Like I said lets see what QB's become available in Free Agency. Vick,Mcnabb, and Palmer could all be available. Rather would grab one of them then a NFL unproven QB. Smart move is to trade down and do that.

Two of those three QBs could probably/possibly still be had also with Luck on the roster. I am not for passing up on a franchise guy like I keep saying in all my previous post. It be the dumbest thing the franchise every did. Makes me think about when the NY Knicks had a "sure thing #1 pick in Patrick Ewing". They took him and made that franchise relevant and a contender for 10 plus years. If not for Jordan he would have delivered several titles.

And what having Jake for 7 years told me was, it would have been nice to have a true franchise QB!!!

[Delhommey]

Honestly, I'm hoping we trade our first rounder for The Golden Calf of Bristol and another 1st. Don't even tell me a double wild cat with The Golden Calf of Bristol and Armanti doesn't get you hard.

If we play the Houston D every week, sure.

[FreeDrinkMafia]

Luck is too inexperienced, and for the stat-heads, his average opposing defenses rank where?

[Woodie]

I do

I will say that if Luck does come out, I expect an offseason full of tortured Panther fans diagramming Hurney's sentences, analyzing the tense and origin of every single word and generally trying anything they can think of trying to get a clue as to "what he meant by that" :sosp:

It'll be especially funny watching people freak out when Hurney scouts other top ten picks, and even funnier to see their reaction when it is reported the Panthers are showing strong interest in a player projected to go in the mid to late first.

[Mr. Scot]

The notion that we wouldn't take a high pick on a QB was pretty well dispelled this season.

(and yes, we'd do it again)

The notion that we wouldn't pay a top five pick is dispelling because, in the short history of this franchise, we already have (twice).

The notion that we wouldn't tie up a load of money in one player also doesn't hold for two reasons. One, because we were prepared to do just that, this year (Peppers) and two, our "model franchise" has had their most success of late after they got their "franchise QB", a guy who makes a pretty hefty salary.

To tie it all up, we shouldn't underestimate the fact that John Fox is going away. That means the rules that John Fox wanted to live under don't apply anymore. Even one of the beat writers has stated we shouldn't necessarily put too much stock into "how we used to do it" when thinking of the franchise future.

So bottom line for me, I'm not planning to panic every time some nebulous statement that "might mean something" hits the papers. I'll pay attention to them, file them away in memory, and look back on them if and when something actually happens.

Until then, I'll do the same thing I always do. Expect the best, but prepare for whatever.

[Mr. Scot]

It'll be especially funny watching people freak out when Hurney scouts other top ten picks, and even funnier to see their reaction when it is reported the Panthers are showing strong interest in a player projected to go in the mid to late first.

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if that happens on a weekly basis.

[rayzor]

mcnabb and palmer have no future in this league.

clausen is not someone you can build a franchise or an offense around.

edwards is a WR.

if we don't draft a QB we are going to be looking at all the rest of the teams in the NFCS from behind for a long time.

it's time to quit pretending a real long term solution isn't something that needs to be addressed and that we can get by with any scrub we put in there.

fox is gone. so should that pathetic and antiquated philosophy.