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[MHS831]

1 hour ago, CanadianCat said:

I mean the point was exactly that, that its insinuated that the Tepper's meddled in the draft process. Thus forced the pick to be Young. My point is Young was the best graded player that draft year. 

but it was not about Bryce and his grading--that had absolutely nothing to do with the point--he and Stroud were simply the players who were on the table when the Teppers' input became so visible.  The point was to humorously create a piece to  ask if the Teppers are still meddling.  If the angle gave you that impression, it was not the intent, and a re-read might clarify that fact.  And this was written to be casual and humorous--like the power point and oxygen chamber.  A restaurant owner putting up a sign and the owner stops to argue with him?  Basically, this is a joke.

[MHS831]

1 hour ago, frankw said:

The Tepper's are meddlers. We all know it.

There was some talk that he "learned his lesson."  Did you see them at pro days this year?  I did not, but I did not see much coverage of Panthers at pro days.  Last year, no first round pick--Teppers not meddling--mad at sandwich shop signs. 

[Khyber53]

I agree, owners should stay out of the process of making picks. But... owners gonna own.

If a billionaire wants something, nowadays they get it, even a gig as Vice president un-elect.

Honestly, though, I've been saying we need an overhaul of the entire scouting department (college and pro levels) for close to a decade now. It's sad to say this but we've been crap at it since Hurney left. And man, that wasn't a big hurdle to clear for those that followed.

[frankw]

Just now, MHS831 said:

There was some talk that he "learned his lesson."  Did you see them at pro days this year?  I did not, but I did not see much coverage of Panthers at pro days.  Last year, no first round pick--Teppers not meddling--mad at sandwich shop signs. 

I've been very critical of the Tepper's. But. If they are actually learning and evolving then great. I will give them credit for it.

My issue is though I'm just not seeing any wholesale changes. Same draft scouting staff. Hired the worst GM in franchise history's righthand man. Our first round pick last year Xavier Legette was handpicked and publicly endorsed by Bryce Young's father. Our 2nd round pick was an absolute vintage classic Panthers pick. From there largely meh. Then we have the situation of Evero sticking around again after being forced on our first year head coach last year. To me the Tepper's are still behind the scenes pulling strings until proven otherwise.

[CanadianCat]

10 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

but it was not about Bryce and his grading--that had absolutely nothing to do with the point--he and Stroud were simply the players who were on the table when the Teppers' input became so visible.  The point was to humorously create a piece to  ask if the Teppers are still meddling.  If the angle gave you that impression, it was not the intent, and a re-read might clarify that fact.  And this was written to be casual and humorous--like the power point and oxygen chamber.  A restaurant owner putting up a sign and the owner stops to argue with him?  Basically, this is a joke.

I mean, it was pretty funny that they did that.. Then we all learned that Tepper cannot take a joke (or people wearing hats). 

I fully support people trolling billionaires. 

[frankw]

The spat with the restaurant owner while ultimately harmless was as good of a glimpse into David Tepper's thought process and overall approach to owning a sports franchise as anyone needed. I've got a lovely bridge to sell anyone that would believe that thin skinned middle aged adult man would sit back and let someone else make any and all decisions for a team he paid billions for.

[MHS831]

13 minutes ago, CanadianCat said:

I mean, it was pretty funny that they did that.. Then we all learned that Tepper cannot take a joke (or people wearing hats). 

I fully support people trolling billionaires. 

I agree.  and I wonder if it left a mark--this is the first time we have had a first round pick since the young/stroud draft---I thought the power point with Dan Morgan ordering the oxygen chamber to help him recover would have gone over better--either it was not funny or people did not realize that he tried it during his playing days to help recover from injuries, etc. 

[PNW_PantherMan]

It does seem like the Teppers are learning.  They have definitely become less visibly involved in the football operations of the team since 2023.  Hopefully it is what it looks like.

[MHS831]

22 minutes ago, frankw said:

I've been very critical of the Tepper's. But. If they are actually learning and evolving then great. I will give them credit for it.

My issue is though I'm just not seeing any wholesale changes. Same draft scouting staff. Hired the worst GM in franchise history's righthand man. Our first round pick last year Xavier Legette was handpicked and publicly endorsed by Bryce Young's father. Our 2nd round pick was an absolute vintage classic Panthers pick. From there largely meh. Then we have the situation of Evero sticking around again after being forced on our first year head coach last year. To me the Tepper's are still behind the scenes pulling strings until proven otherwise.

good points. 

[MHS831]

1 minute ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

It does seem like the Teppers are learning.  They have definitely become less visibly involved in the football operations of the team since 2023.  Hopefully it is what it looks like.

yeah, and I think Frank's point is they seem to be pulling strings just being less visible about it.  I was embarrassed to see them at Pro Days in 2023. 

[PNW_PantherMan]

2 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

yeah, and I think Frank's point is they seem to be pulling strings just being less visible about it.  I was embarrassed to see them at Pro Days in 2023. 

I think David Tepper got embarrassed pretty extensively that year.  How poorly the year went.  Firing Frank after less than a full season.  Throwing a drink on a fan.  Maybe his behavior hit a threshold where he reflected on his actions.

[Shocker]

Tepper stops meddling and the team starts improving almost immediately.  He has to know that now but yeah…thanks for the signs!

[MHS831]

15 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

I think David Tepper got embarrassed pretty extensively that year.  How poorly the year went.  Firing Frank after less than a full season.  Throwing a drink on a fan.  Maybe his behavior hit a threshold where he reflected on his actions.

Yes--when you put it all together, wow.  People can get rich at one thing, yet they get their asses kissed so much for being rich, they associate it with supremacy in other walks of life.  Start thinking that money makes them smart and right. 

[MHS831]

1 minute ago, Shocker said:

Tepper stops meddling and the team starts improving almost immediately.  He has to know that now but yeah…thanks for the signs!

Fellow Huddlers talking about firing his coach (He was part of the Rhule hire too), throwing drink on a fan, yelling at roadside signs, etc.  He then seemed to disappear to some degree.  Last year, no first round pick, and he was probably behind the trade to the Bears--and this year, I have not seen him.   Frank and others feel that he has just become the man behind the curtain; others think he has stepped aside.