Universal whine about Clausen thread

[pstall]

there are many on this board who talk a big game about knowing football and thought drafting clausen was smart or a steal because of where the panthers got him.

dude is a more immature midwest version of david carr

[monstercat]

Valid points. I would also take Luck before Newton. However as a consolation and looking at our situation, I can see how Newton could work out. As long as the coach isn't inflexible and willing to adapt the offense to the players strength.

Fair enough. I sure hope we get luck though...and I would take Harbough as HC in a heartbeat too. If he can do what he has done at Stanford, he should be able to win pretty much anywhere, and he actually played QB in the NFL so he knows the NFL game.

[MWCarolina]

Vince Young did the same thing in college though, and so far, he hasn't even finished an NFL season as a starter. Cam may or may not end up being better than Vince, but he doesn't really come from an offense that translates well to the NFL at all. I would much much rather have Luck, who already knows how to run an NFL offense.

YEP!!! That is why i am NOT a fan of Newton. I dont think Newton is ready to start at all as a rookie. Young didnt throw well as a rookie and won by luck and chances, i dont see the same thing happening for Newton, i mean, i am a BIG fan of Luck and i cant see him playing great unless they get an offensive line and another reciever.

Honestly have you even watched an entire Auburn game this year?

Uh, yeah and i have noticed that Cam Newton plays in the same exact offense that one The Golden Calf of Bristol played in and both of them ran ALOT and in the NFL, you cant do that and survive all 16 games, add to that, Newton's speed reminds me of Young, not Vick and unless he has Vick-like speed, i cant see him out running guys like Willis, Vilma or any great linebackers.

Pike is too damn fragile and he hasn't proven anything either. I would rather keep Jimmy as a back up, since they have already invested a 2nd round pick on him. Heck, it's not like he will never get any better.

BUT why keep him??? no reason to, all you have to do is re-sign Moore and let Clausen have a chance to rebuild his career, i just think it's a bad idea for Clausen and Carolina because it doesnt help his confidence at all.

[Pantherman]

I think Hurney is going to be back.................:confused:

Ummm not I very much doubt it. If JR wanted Hurney back long term then he would have resigned him long term by now. Hurney is just working week to week right now until the season is over. Then he will pack up and move on with Fox behind him.

[MWCarolina]

Have you not been reading around and on the forums. The main reason JR went cheap this year was to clear out alot of these big contracts like Jake Delhomme and never resigned alot of the vets and let a few go. JR was preparing for a possible lockout this coming offseason. But if a new CBA is reached and the lockout does not happen. The Panthers will have the most money of all the teams in the league to work with. Therefore he will allow the new GM go out and sign some nice bigtime FAs to help this out. JR ain't cheap. He was just been safe. Trust me when I say Jr will open the bank once a new CBA deal is done.:yesnod:

Well, he better or i see Luck winning 4 games and that's if Luck comes out.

Valid points. I would also take Luck before Newton. However as a consolation and looking at our situation, I can see how Newton could work out. As long as the coach isn't inflexible and willing to adapt the offense to the players strength.

i would take Luck first overall, i would avoid Newton first overall, too risky, rather gamble on Jake Locker (who would've been a high pick if he came out last year), Luck though is who they will and should get if he comes out.

I sure hope we get luck though...and I would take Harbough as HC in a heartbeat too.

I think Harbaugh should be the coach of Carolina, he would get more butts in the seats in my view. Harbaugh as the coach is a big name and Luck knows his offense inside and out.

[klbishop143]

a squishy face. HA. not.

He sucks at talking to the media, too. "...each and every day""...each and every day""...each and everyday" Think he learned that at Notre Dame? From the Panthers? You gatta have one phrase you say in every interview? "It is what it is" "day-to-day". F**k you, squishy face!

Sorry. I'm angry today.

[communist]

Good plan call Hurney and tell him, his number is 704-aftertonightsgamewearenolongertradingoutandmissingluckifhesthere. We have a rookie DE thats showing promise and one that has 11.5 sacks with someone to collapse the middle where most of the problem has been we'll be better with the pass rush.

which rookie? brown? 11.5 sacks? johnson?

i saw a guy last year with the niners, his name is ahmad brooks...a lot of people thought that he would solve our pass-rush problem...the reality: after justin smith had been ejected against the chargers (last thursday), our pass-rush collapsed....

[MWCarolina]

Staring down a tight end in a 3 WR is a bad QB mistake, not a rookie mistake. A rookie mistake would be staring down your #1 WR.

true, BUT it could be that the play was designed for Rosiario and that is why he did it, so i still call that a rookie mistake.

[weyco2000]

Clausen is not Brady for sure, but damn the guy is pressured on every throw and has no advice from anyone. How many drops did the WR have today...yes even Smitty continued his case for a trade. Really to pin this seasons effort on the development of a rookie QB is insane. You put any QB behind this OL and Davidson calling plays and he will fail also. I'm no Clausen fan but this team has a ton of problems on the offensive side of the ball, except RB. The FO could at least brought in a veteran with experience, but we sign SP and Null, this is a complete mess.

[chef17]

true, BUT it could be that the play was designed for Rosiario and that is why he did it, so i still call that a rookie mistake.

And it could be that the play was designed for someone else and Clausen just stared down Rosiario, so I still call it a bad QB mistake.

[communist]

Uh, yeah and i have noticed that Cam Newton plays in the same exact offense that one The Golden Calf of Bristol played in and both of them ran ALOT and in the NFL, you cant do that and survive all 16 games, add to that, Newton's speed reminds me of Young, not Vick and unless he has Vick-like speed, i cant see him out running guys like Willis, Vilma or any great linebackers.

stop, i am not a newton-fan either but i disagree here...i saw newton on some games, especially against alabama and he threw a lot of nice passes. the gators were a lot of gimmick-qb option dont know what type of an offense and auburn seems to be the same but not in that particular game...the comeback from behind was VERY impressive.

the thing about newton is that i think he could become a 2nd russel due to motivation...

[MWCarolina]

stop, i am not a newton-fan either but i disagree here...i saw newton on some games, especially against alabama and he threw a lot of nice passes. the gators were a lot of gimmick-qb option dont know what type of an offense and auburn seems to be the same but not in that particular game...the comeback from behind was VERY impressive.

the thing about newton is that i think he could become a 2nd russel due to motivation...

2nd Russell??? dont draft him then. hahaha. Anyways, as for the Bama game, he made some nice throws, but also some throws were (in my book) close to being intercepted and i think if the corners were NFL corners, they are intercepted. I am not a Newton fan and just think he's TOO risky.

[Panthercougar68]

which rookie? brown? 11.5 sacks? johnson?

i saw a guy last year with the niners, his name is ahmad brooks...a lot of people thought that he would solve our pass-rush problem...the reality: after justin smith had been ejected against the chargers (last thursday), our pass-rush collapsed....

Sorry let me make it simple

Greg Hardy=Lots of Promise

Charles Johnson=11.5 Sacks

also

Inside push up the middle=0

QB steps up due to no middle presence=completion

We have been able to put pressure on QB's this year but without a true stud DT we can't finish that pressure as you would say. Watch the TB games or tonights game, plenty of times Freeman and Big Ben would feel the heat but all they had to do was step up and the DE's would be out of it.

[MWCarolina]

And it could be that the play was designed for someone else and Clausen just stared down Rosiario, so I still call it a bad QB mistake.

*shakes head* no one knows who the play was called for, but like i said, MANY rookies do that, i am sure Manning did in his rookie year and Luck will too.