At least the Panthers games have meaning

[Panthers128]

I don't think we should be crowning Luck just yet. No matter what someone does in college, they have to show it in the NFL and he's gonna have to show it on a team with poor offensive line play and inexperienced receivers aside from Smith.

This all assuming he comes out and we get the #1 pick and choose him.

[brandon_87]

losing the last 2 games actually means a win for the franchise

[Brooklyn Bully]

It doesn't matter if Luck declares. What matters is that we have the first pick. That way we can draft Luck, or anyone else we think is right, OR trade it for a later first and get a second rounder back. That's why not winning is more important than a meaningless win against the Steelers and the Falcons. If we don't get the 1st pick, we will get a Top 5 prospect sure, but will have no second rounder. But if we get the 1st pick, we either get the best prospect on the board, or a top prospect and a 2nd rounder...which we sorely need as we have many holes that need to be filled.

There are situations where there is more to a franchise than getting a win. This is one of them.

So yeah, these two games have huge meaning, and if He Who Should Not Be Named is as good as he is thought to be...these two games could possibly turn this entire franchise around one day. It's the most exciting gamble there is.

[MHS831]

Please find me the write up by a respected source that claims he is a combination of Elway, Marino, and Manning.

Please show me the source that says he gets us to twelve wins next season.

Please show me the source that says he is the greatest quarterback prospect of all time.

No weaknesses? He has a lack of experience, plays in a Pac-10 that is constantly criticized for not playing defense, and wasn't the focal point of the offense for one of his two years.

Look he's a great prospect and I hope we get him. But you are building yourself up for a mountain of heartache if we don't get this guy. He might not declare, or we might not get the top pick of the draft. There are others players and there are chances he might not work out if we do get him. Ease back the throttle.

http://www.kentucky.com/2010/12/09/1559556/stanford-qb-andrew-luck-excels.html#more

http://www.contracostatimes.com/sports/ci_16633102?nclick_check=1

content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/Andrew%20Luck

Gannon, Elway, Manning, Brodie, Plunkett and more. I could find the others, but you won't read them anyway. Listen, this is my opinion. I am allowed to have one without mountains of documentation. If your mind was open you would read these articles and start to believe as I do. I doubt that happens. I really don't care about changing your mind.

Still, I found a few to humor you. There are many more. Of course, you need to realize that the projection that we get 12 wins does not have a source. It was a metaphoric conjecture because the future is difficult to document, something free-thinking intellectuals do to emphasize points. I have the feeling you are one of the snipers on here who trolls the posts looking to argue because that is how you acquire self-esteem. Now, a thinker would provide his own reasons and sources in dispute, not request them skeptically. I also believe in bacteria, but I can't show you any.

[MHS831]

I don't think we should be crowning Luck just yet. No matter what someone does in college, they have to show it in the NFL and he's gonna have to show it on a team with poor offensive line play and inexperienced receivers aside from Smith.

This all assuming he comes out and we get the #1 pick and choose him.

I am saying he is one of the best prospects to come out in over a decade or more. No crowns. According to the NFL scouts. Of course there is a chance he will fail, but historically nearly 50% of first rounders bust. Scouts say Luck is a sure thing, which means he has a high probability of succeeding.

Are you suggesting that we draft someone with NFL experience?

I have always thought drafting a QB in the first was stupid because the sooner you play them, the higher the probability of failure. Luck is no different. However, what do you think will be out there in free agency? Sooner or later, you have to pull the trigger and the fact that we have a shot at the best prospect in years when we need him the most is unreal.

[MHS831]

That's very profound.

apologies. I forget that Ladies are a part of this family.

[Stroupe-a-loop]

Gannon, Elway, Manning, Brodie, Plunkett and more. I could find the others, but you won't read them anyway. Listen, this is my opinion. I am allowed to have one without mountains of documentation. If your mind was open you would read these articles and start to believe as I do. I doubt that happens. I really don't care about changing your mind.

Still, I found a few to humor you. There are many more. Of course, you need to realize that the projection that we get 12 wins does not have a source. It was a metaphoric conjecture because the future is difficult to document, something free-thinking intellectuals do to emphasize points. I have the feeling you are one of the snipers on here who trolls the posts looking to argue because that is how you acquire self-esteem. Now, a thinker would provide his own reasons and sources in dispute, not request them skeptically. I also believe in bacteria, but I can't show you any.

You said he was a combination of Elway, Manning, and Marino and the greatest quarterback prospect of all time. Nobody thinks he is the greatest quarterback prospect of all time, and nobody thinks he is a combination of multiple hall of fame quarterbacks. Those are ridiculous statements. That was my problem with your original post.

Then you continually bring up NFL scouts in your next post, so I ask you to show me something to confirm that. I asked because I checked numerous websites and none of them had even made a scouting report of him yet. You respond with two nice articles about how he's a fantastic person with some quotes from his head coach, Lane Kiffin, and others. I'm sure he's a great person; I never disputed that. I know he's a great prospect; I never disputed that.

The articles say he is the best Stanford quarterback since Frankie Albert, John Brodie, Jim Plunkett and John Elway. Great point and true. He is compared to Tom Brady by his coach and Rich Gannon by Lane Kiffin. Great if you had done that I would have no issue with it in the slightest. You decided to make these outlandish claims that have no basis in fact or the opinion of anyone else and then label it as "the NFL scouts all claim x".

If these are the kinds of articles you have been reading, I'm sure your opinion of Luck is sky high. I want the guy too. But, seriously, the things that are getting said about him around here are insane. Do you want me to show you some outstanding articles from last year that describe Jake Locker as a bigger, stronger, more mobile Steve Young? Nobody is really buying that talk now, and nothing has changed about him as a football player, but he may have gone from a first overall guy to a second rounder. Be happy, be excited, don't talk like a person that has gotten got up in ridiculous, over the moon, hype. You seem much smarter than that.

As for me being a jerk and a troll or whatever, fantastic. Why not make it personal because we disagree?

[PhillyB]

Please find me the write up by a respected source that claims he is a combination of Elway, Marino, and Manning.

Please show me the source that says he gets us to twelve wins next season.

Please show me the source that says he is the greatest quarterback prospect of all time.

No weaknesses? He has a lack of experience, plays in a Pac-10 that is constantly criticized for not playing defense, and wasn't the focal point of the offense for one of his two years.

Look he's a great prospect and I hope we get him. But you are building yourself up for a mountain of heartache if we don't get this guy. He might not declare, or we might not get the top pick of the draft. There are others players and there are chances he might not work out if we do get him. Ease back the throttle.

c'mon, his name is luck. LUCK. the only way it could be more prophetic is if his name was Touchdowns.

[Stroupe-a-loop]

c'mon, his name is luck. LUCK. the only way it could be more prophetic is if his name was Touchdowns.

. . . alright I'm sold, disregard all previous posts.

[Pimpdaddy]

Can this kid (Luck) come in and start if we draft him? Are we going to crucify him when he makes a mistake? Are we going to be patient while he adapts to the NFL? What if he goes on a booze binge like Collins? I like the kid, but there are going to be some growing pains with him, are we ready for that at a minimum of 2 years out. Its going to depend largely on our new coach and OC. I like the talent we have and any prospective coach has to have a boner over that....

[PhillyB]

. . . alright I'm sold, disregard all previous posts.

in all seriousness, the guy is unanimously predicted as the top pick of the draft, barring a humongous upset. to me this is the biggest indicator of the general opinion of his stock as a quarterback.

[Stroupe-a-loop]

in all seriousness, the guy is unanimously predicted as the top pick of the draft, barring a humongous upset. to me this is the biggest indicator of the general opinion of his stock as a quarterback.

Oh his stock is through the roof, and it should be. My point is some of the stuff that gets said about him here and in other places is ridiculous. It reads like Chuck Norris jokes, without the humor.

[MHS831]

Oh his stock is through the roof, and it should be. My point is some of the stuff that gets said about him here and in other places is ridiculous. It reads like Chuck Norris jokes, without the humor.

Then tell me who, as a college prospect, was ever better? Find some articles to back up your opnion. Yes, I said opinion, but you think nobody except you are allowed to have one, even though mine is based on fact and not an innate desire to be a jerk --your word, not mine. I gave reasons the greatest QBs of all time had concerns--find equal concerns with Luck and post them.

[chef17]

I haven't seen Luck play so I won't comment on him. But until he actually steps on a NFL field, it's a bit early to already call him a Franchise QB.