Pat White

[panthers55]

Black QBs dont deserve a chance. There's no upside when it comes to them and they dont have the ability to get better. All black QBs are just a poor man's Vick. No thanks.

Cries of predjudice and failure to get a break are most people's excuse when they fail. It couldn't be they didn't have the talent on their own. It has to be someone's elses fault. Truth is that kind of thinking is the problem for why many people fail. Instead of looking at what they need to do to succeed they blame all their problems on something outside of their control.

Good thing that Pat White wouldn't use that kind of lame crap if he fails. Truth is that is one of the reason's he has made it this far. He relies on himself and his own ability

[Brandon]

Black QBs dont deserve a chance. There's no upside when it comes to them and they dont have the ability to get better. All black QBs are just a poor man's Vick. No thanks.

Can you play with anything other than the race card? No? Thought so.

[King Taharqa]

Cries of predjudice and failure to get a break are most people's excuse when they fail.

And blind denial of people's bias & dated ideals about black QBs potential are most people's symptoms of guilt. Pat White deserves a chance and is no worse than the undersized weak armed Stefan Lefors who got a chance with the Panthers. Sitting in this thread acting like gambling a low round pick on him as a QB will destroy a franchise is so overdramatic. He could end up being a huge bust, but he wouldnt be the first and probably wouldnt be the last with this franchise. He could also end up being a steal and a hell of a QB (a la Garrard, McNabb) making your claims that he deserves no chance look as close minded as they sound.

[goodlay]

Seeing he couldn't handle the ECU defense, I doubt he can make it in the NFL.

[panthers55]

And blind denial of people's bias & dated ideals about black QBs potential are most people's symptoms of guilt. Pat White deserves a chance and is no worse than the undersized weak armed Stefan Lefors who got a chance with the Panthers. Sitting in this thread acting like gambling a low round pick on him as a QB will destroy a franchise is so overdramatic. He could end up being a huge bust, but he wouldnt be the first and probably wouldnt be the last with this franchise. He could also end up being a steal and a hell of a QB (a la Garrard, McNabb) making your claims that he deserves no chance look as close minded as they sound.

You seem eager to overblow other people's comments in an effort to make them appear more radical than they are, all to fit your preconceived agenda.

There are a number of good college quarterbacks who don't get drafted and many who do who don't make a roster somewhere. With teams only keeping 2 or 3 quarterbacks on their roster there are not many opportunities for any quarterback to make it let along those players with issues and knocks on them going in. How many quarterbacks get drafted? It has nothing to do with being black or white or polka dot for that matter. It is about his skills sets and defined needs of the teams drafting a quarterback. He may very well get a look either as a low draft pick or as an undrafted free agent to serve as training camp fodder for a team. There are guys every year who make it despite the odds and he could be one of them. But many more don't land anywhere.

Lefors is a good example of a guy who shouldn't have been drafted either. He was a mistake for the Panthers and a perfect example of some of our poor drafting that year. The fact that no one picked him up when we let him go is a clear indication of his worth or lack of it.

And he is clearly no McNabb or a Garrard. McNabb was the number 2 pick in the draft in 1999 and Garrard while a fourth rounder ended up with 3000 more passing yards than White in their college career. Garrard was a passer who could run while White is a runner who can pass. In the NFL there is a big difference. If you are going to make comparisons then at least pick guys with a semblence of the same skill sets.

[Brandon]

And blind denial of people's bias & dated ideals about black QBs potential are most people's symptoms of guilt. Pat White deserves a chance and is no worse than the undersized weak armed Stefan Lefors who got a chance with the Panthers. Sitting in this thread acting like gambling a low round pick on him as a QB will destroy a franchise is so overdramatic. He could end up being a huge bust, but he wouldnt be the first and probably wouldnt be the last with this franchise. He could also end up being a steal and a hell of a QB (a la Garrard, McNabb) making your claims that he deserves no chance look as close minded as they sound.

Okay you need to be less blind to the fact that a lot of people don't take race as a factor in this. He's a scrambling QB who comes out of the spread, that is typically a warning sign to most people. You however continue to just accuse everyone of being racist because that's all you really can do, rather than debate his stronger points if you feel he is worthy of praise or his weaknesses. Either way it's insulting of you to constantly bring race into situations that don't call for it.

[Ashor]

Yeah KT, I wasn't gonna address that issue, but I have to mention it now. This is the ONLY reason that people are saying he can't play QB in the NFL. I won't say it's because they don't think he's smart enough, but more or less it's just because he is black, and that is it. It has always pissed me off that black QBs aren't given a chance to come into the league as QBs just because on average they are more athletic.

Reggie McNeal, Josh Cribbs, Antwan Randle El, Hines Ward, Brad Smith, etc. You're telling me those guys couldn't do what Rex Grossman did in his time as a starter? Grossman was given the benefit of the doubt because he is white. Heck, Ken Dorsey has logged starts as an NFL QB and he couldn't throw a 10 yard out, let alone throw a ball into the ocean out of a boat.

I feel ALL college QBs should be given the chance to start at QB in the league if that's what they played in college. The issue with black QBs is that the undercover racism behind them taking a historically "white position" is the elephant in the room that no one in the NFL wants to acknowledge. The powers that be let a guy like Warren Moon (who had to fight years to even be given his chance as an NFL QB), Kordell Stewart, McNair, or Vick play because their dominance was clear. But I don't think that the number of black QBs in the NFL is anywhere proportional to the number of black QBs in college. Why should a guy have to switch positions for being an outstanding athlete with great college numbers? Simple. Racism.

Now, I'll stop before it's moved to the Tinderbox, lol. WAR PAT WHITE!

Don't forget about Isaiah Stanback.

[Mr. Scot]

Kids don't lose out because coaches want to win. First of all without wins programs don't get recognition and no one would know how he is. If he didn't play on a winning team and play in a bowl game, he would never have showcased his ability. And he surprised a lot of folks who really didn't think he could throw that well. I dare say he surprised most people.

Secondly, if a coach thought that developing Pat White to be a pocket passer would net more success and a better passing game they would have done it it in a New york minute. The consensus is that White is not and never will a pocket passer partly because he can't see over the line and doesn't read the field or go through his progressions very well at all.. He is an option quarterback because that is what he does best. He had a great playoff game and a few other games this year where he threw very well. But he had many more games where he was mediocre at best. He is not a great quarterback and is a longshot to make it in the NFL.

Until he rolled NC with 322 yards he only had 2 games all season where he threw for over 200 yards. He had 2 games where he had less than 75 yards passing and 9 of his 12 games he threw for less than 150 yards. The reality is that his 322 yards aainst North Carolina is more of an aberration than the 72 yards against East Carolina. And his poor passing yards weren't because he was running the ball every play. In half of his games this year he accounted for less than 200 yards combined.

If you're talking about players in general when you say "kids don't lose out because coaches want to win", I'd agree. Narrow it down to QBs though, and even further to athletic QBs, and this is where our opinions diverge.

The Pocket passer is king in the pros, and I seriously doubt that will ever change. Thus, QBs on teams that use a pro-style offense and teach their signal-caller to drop, read, and pass are going to be better prepared for pro careers than guys who play on an offense that''s option oriented or follows the credo of "take one look and then run".

I'm not an Ohio State fan by any stretch, but I loved that Coach Jim Tressel resisted the temptation to use Troy Smith as a pure athlete and instead taught him to be a passer. That move helped Smith reach the pros. Again, it didn't guarantee pro success, but it prepared him enough that he wasn't forced into the position switch that so many "athlete" QBs are.

I wish more coaches would do this.

(but I understand why they don't)

[Proudiddy]

I'd like to point out after several guys have posted in this thread about Troy Smith (Mr.Scot and I can't remember the other right now) that I wanted us to draft Troy Smith coming out of OSU. The guy was dominant in college and did play pocket first and if there was nothing there THEN run. I watched him a lot too and felt he was going to have a chance to be great in the Pros. Everytime I've seen him play in the pros, he's proved me right from what I've seen.

As a matter of fact, I had read somewhere that the Ravens had actually wanted Troy Smith to be their starter going into the season and felt he should've been of Flacco. I think Smith had some kind of illness to start the season though that had limited him some and gave Flacco the edge. That being said... I would be all for us giving the Ravens a 4th rounder for him if they'd take it, or signing him when he hits free agency because I think he has a chance to be a Top 15 Qb in the league in the right situation.

[thefuzz]

And blind denial of people's bias & dated ideals about black QBs potential are most people's symptoms of guilt. Pat White deserves a chance and is no worse than the undersized weak armed Stefan Lefors who got a chance with the Panthers. Sitting in this thread acting like gambling a low round pick on him as a QB will destroy a franchise is so overdramatic. He could end up being a huge bust, but he wouldnt be the first and probably wouldnt be the last with this franchise. He could also end up being a steal and a hell of a QB (a la Garrard, McNabb) making your claims that he deserves no chance look as close minded as they sound.

Hahahaha, I love when you bring guilt into a football argument.

Lefors got a chance with the Panthers because he threw for almost the same number of yards in 2 years as your boy did in 4. Add in that he was completing 75 ish % of his passes his senior year, and you can see why a flier was taken on him.

I am not saying that Pat White will not make a roster, but I think that we have wasted enough picks on QB's in the past few years that are project players. Lets maybe use the picks to get someone to help out right away.

[King Taharqa]

Lefors got a chance with the Panthers because he threw for almost the same number of yards in 2 years as your boy did in 4. Add in that he was completing 75 ish % of his passes his senior year, and you can see why a flier was taken on him.

Because he played in a Bobby Petrino system that inflated his passing #'s. LeFors was neither accurate nor a prolific passer in the next level yet still got a chance to determine that. Thats all Im asking for Pat White. People are always gonna invest energy into telling black kids & black QBs what they cant do or how they dont deserve to get a look because they dont believe in them. I believe in Pat White's ability to be a NFL QB. There's alot of sorry ass QBs in this league, if he were to become 1 of them, I dont think the league will fold.

I am not saying that Pat White will not make a roster, but I think that we have wasted enough picks on QB's in the past few years that are project players. Lets maybe use the picks to get someone to help out right away.

We've wasted picks at every position on the field. I agree we need IMMEDIATE help at the QB position, but if we were able to snag White in the 4th or 5th, I would take him on as a project.

[Zaximus]

I don't think it's a race issue on not picking him up. People think he's too small or that he never played in a NFL-type offense. This is true. Hower, he was never given the chance to play in a system like that, and he was never asked to bulk up cause it wasn't needed.

The guy has a skill set. He's FAST. He makes good decisions. He's a TEAM guy and is nothing but class. He did what his team asked of him, not spotlighting himself, and was OK with it (which may hurt his chances in draft). When they let him be a passer (In the UNC bowl game) he was great. You can't fault someone for not playing in a system when their coaches choose the system. He could be a steal. In our past drafts, what have we gotten in the 3rd-5th rounds? Even if he busts, IMO, the chance is worth it, the teams that take chances are the ones that get great talent in the late rounds. You add a QB like him with the likes of Smith and then our RB's, it'll be deadly. I don't think he has a big deep ball, but Smith makes plays from YAC and with White we could run a lot of screens and things like that to open it up.

[Kurb]

I for one would love to give PW a chance at QB.

He is similar mold to Dree Brees in Size and Arm strenght imo.

More so the kid is team first and a great leader. At least from what I saw at VW.

Him coming out of a spread offense scares me, but some things can be untaught.

Wouldn't have minded having Dennis Dixon last season either.

[Zaximus]

People are acting like it'll take a Peppers trade and another trade to move up in the first to get White lol.