Cheating

[Chaos]

Or, a team could cheat and still lose. *cough*Broncos*cough*

That is the ultimate fail.

[Sandy Claws]

there are levels of cheating that are acceptable IMO.

referees are to decide when the cheating tips the table too much in favor of one side or another and then make a call. But they cannot, will not, and in my opinion never intend to call everything. It's just not practical, nor does it help the game in the slightest to go that route.

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NO NO NO NO

In order to create a credible product, the league must establish a standard set of rules and apply them as uniformly as possible across the league, not just between 2 teams on the field. The credibility of that product is shot as soon as the fans believe that records, individual and team, are manipulated. What you suggest is that the league has its part time officials orchestrating an entire season at worst, or having significant impact on outcomes at best. They certainly miss calls, maor eoften than desired, but there is no way they would intentionally ignore calls. That would not be good for the game.

[Kevin Greene]

Lemme throw a hypothetical out there to ya.

We know Gregg Williams is a POS who will coach his guys to play dirty and congratulate them for it when it's over. So let's say we're playing the Saints and we see a couple of pretty blatant cheap shots on our QB, RB, WR, whoever.

Our new coach - whomever he may be - is angered by this. In response, he coaches his defensive guys to take a late shot or two on Brees, Colston, Bush et al. He also tells the Big Uglies to feel free to get a shot or two in on the defense. He's willing to take the penalty flags to teach these bastards a lesson.

Do you approve?

Do we win the game?

[Montsta]

If you win by cheating, you've won nothing.

If you lose by being honorable, then you've lost nothing.

The opposite for both is equally true.

That must have come out of a really big fortune cookie.

[Montsta]

Lemme throw a hypothetical out there to ya.

We know Gregg Williams is a POS who will coach his guys to play dirty and congratulate them for it when it's over. So let's say we're playing the Saints and we see a couple of pretty blatant cheap shots on our QB, RB, WR, whoever.

Our new coach - whomever he may be - is angered by this. In response, he coaches his defensive guys to take a late shot or two on Brees, Colston, Bush et al. He also tells the Big Uglies to feel free to get a shot or two in on the defense. He's willing to take the penalty flags to teach these bastards a lesson.

Do you approve?

I don't cheat to win, but I will admit I personally have a morally gray area when it comes to retaliation for blatant shitheadedness.

I wouldn't want our guys to play dirty just to win, but if GW the POS has his guys taking cheap shots to knock our (obviously hypothetical) offensive weapons out of the game, I don't believe in turning the other cheek.

Chalk it up to lack of religious principles I suppose.

[Kevin Greene]

I don't cheat to win, but I will admit I personally have a morally gray area when it comes to retaliation for blatant shitheadedness.

I wouldn't want our guys to play dirty just to win, but if GW the POS has his guys taking cheap shots to knock our (obviously hypothetical) offensive weapons out of the game, I don't believe in turning the other cheek.

Chalk it up to lack of religious principles I suppose.

For instance Fujita should have had his balls pounded flat for this ultimate cheap shot.

[MHS831]

Funny, but the steroid scandal that followed the super bowl has tainted that accomplishment for me. I would add, however, that probably the majority of pro football players seek an illegal advantage. Our OLINE was aging and when they got caught, they started sucking immdediately in 2004. I wondered if we would have been able to get there without it.

[nosuchthingasapanther]

so the 2003 panthers are cheaters, and shouldn't be considered one of the best teams the franchise has ever fielded?

do i condone cheating? no.

will i take the time to find out if a team has won honorably? no.

if the accomplishment aquired thru cheating isn't reversed (a W becomes an L), then what's all the fuss about in the first place?

[Phil Dees]

Funny, but the steroid scandal that followed the super bowl has tainted that accomplishment for me. I would add, however, that probably the majority of pro football players seek an illegal advantage. Our OLINE was aging and when they got caught, they started sucking immdediately in 2004. I wondered if we would have been able to get there without it.

As I mentioned earlier it was more than just the OL.

Other than the OL'ers of Donnalley, Mitchell, and Steussie...

I believe the DL'ers were Henry Taylor, John Milem, dont remember what Louis Williams was (OL I think).

Wesley Walls (TE), Toad Sauerbrun (P)

Those we know about. Pretty commom knowledge that other D-siders included those with initials like JC, JP, MF.

Not a very admirable group,

[Mr. Scot]

Lemme throw another one at ya.

Let's say on a punt, the coverage team gets down the field and one of the gunners kneels down and touches the ball at the three yard line, effectively downing it.

But then he looks around to see if any of the refs are looking and - seeing that they aren't - quickly moves it back a yard or so :sosp:

What do you think of that guy?

[Sandy Claws]

Lemme throw another one at ya.

Let's say on a punt, the coverage team gets down the field and one of the gunners kneels down and touches the ball at the three yard line, effectively downing it.

But then he looks around to see if any of the refs are looking and - seeing that they aren't - quickly moves it back a yard or so :sosp:

What do you think of that guy?

I would think he's pretty stupid. The spot of the ball is reviewable by replay.

[Mr. Scot]

I would think he's pretty stupid. The spot of the ball is reviewable by replay.

For discussion purposes, assume he got away with it.

[bleys]

that too far down a useless convo, sorry Mr. Scot.. lol.. if that happened, then whatever, review it if we saw it.. if not, you got away with something.. that poo does happen in games now, perhaps not as obvious.. How about Heath Miller getting knocked the fug out and the refs did see it?

here's the real question.. assuming McDaniels let out a can of worms that seems to have been forgotten already and some major poo was going down with the Pats..

WOULD you all take those 3 Superbowls? or are you really going to sit there and tell me you'd rather have lost in '03 and have been fairly mediocre in the last decade....?

assume the we didn't get caught just like the Pats...

honestly, I'd take the Superbowls..

[Sandy Claws]

So, you're basically an "ends justifies the means" type.