Hurney Must Go

[MaineManPanther]

Did we win the Super Bowl?

Of course it was talented, now that I think about it, I have no idea how Hurney got all of those players in Panthers unis in such a short time......

Hurney wasnt the sole reason for that amount of talent.

But if your judging wether a team is talented enough and/or GM did enough based on wether they win a SB then there will likley be no GM curently avaiable that will fit your standard.

[thefuzz]

Hurney wasnt the sole reason for that amount of talent.

But if your judging wether a team is talented enough and/or GM did enough based on wether they win a SB then there will likley be no GM curently avaiable that will fit your standard.

You asked if 2003 was talented enough, I answered correctly. If you don't win a SB, in any given year, your team is not "good enough, or talented enough". I am not saying that you should win every year, but I certainly don't want a GM that will say that a team that goes 12-4 and gets beat in the first round of the playoffs was "talented enough", because they aren't.

I know that he didn't bring that talent in, I was making fun of you saying that the 2003 team was Hurney's doing.

[panthers55]

Judging a team's talent or lack of talent simply by whether they win a Super Bowl or not is really a poor marker. Largely because the team that wins the Superbowl is often not the most talented team but rather the team who is playing the best football at the end of the year. Look at the Giants in 2007. They were barely above .500 halfway through the season and caught fire late. They were certainly not as talented as the patriots team they beat and anyone would rate the Patriot's team as much better. Just not on the day they played the Superbowl.

[frash.exe]

Judging a team's talent or lack of talent simply by whether they win a Super Bowl or not is really a poor marker. Largely because the team that wins the Superbowl is often not the most talented team but rather the team who is playing the best football at the end of the year. Look at the Giants in 2007. They were barely above .500 halfway through the season and caught fire late. They were certainly not as talented as the patriots team they beat and anyone would rate the Patriot's team as much better. Just not on the day they played the Superbowl.

A lot of the reason the Giants had their run at the end of that season is because they had a very good draft. Almost all those picks were contributing to the team. They can thank Jerry Reese and his scouting crew for that

also for that matter the pats are having a very good year due in part to the production of Devin McCourty, Rob Gronkowski, Jermaine Cunningham, Brandon Spikes, Aaron Hernandez, and Zolton Pesko. All rookies...

when has Hurney given us a draft like that in the eternity that he's been general manager for us?

[panthers55]

A lot of the reason the Giants had their run at the end of that season is because they had a very good draft. Almost all those picks were contributing to the team. They can thank Jerry Reese and his scouting crew for that

also for that matter the pats are having a very good year due in part to the production of Devin McCourty, Rob Gronkowski, Jermaine Cunningham, Brandon Spikes, Aaron Hernandez, and Zolton Pesko. All rookies...

when has Hurney given us a draft like that in the eternity that he's been general manager for us?

I think that our drafts lately have been good but not great. We still take too many risks gambling on projects. Trading up instead of trading down has definitely hurt us the last few years. New England has definitely done a better job of stockpiling picks and not letting people go without compensation. Hurney still has things to learn and taking New England as a model would surely be a good place to start.

[thefuzz]

I think that our drafts lately have been good but not great. We still take too many risks gambling on projects. Trading up instead of trading down has definitely hurt us the last few years. New England has definitely done a better job of stockpiling picks and not letting people go without compensation. Hurney still has things to learn and taking New England as a model would surely be a good place to start.

Dude, the last few drafts have been horrible. absolutely horrible.

Between EB, Otah, AE, and using another 1st on a RB, Hurney has set us back years.

[MaineManPanther]

You asked if 2003 was talented enough, I answered correctly. If you don't win a SB, in any given year, your team is not "good enough, or talented enough". I am not saying that you should win every year, but I certainly don't want a GM that will say that a team that goes 12-4 and gets beat in the first round of the playoffs was "talented enough", because they aren't.

I know that he didn't bring that talent in, I was making fun of you saying that the 2003 team was Hurney's doing.

Not talented enough and not good enough are two different things. Our 03 team obviously was talented enough to win, the fact that they didnt doesnt take that away. Now that doesnt mean there arent holes in every team.

Making fun? Seems a little childish don't you think? I never said 03 was all of Hurneys doing, but he obviously had a big enough hand to give him credit.

[panthers55]

Dude, the last few drafts have been horrible. absolutely horrible.

Between EB, Otah, AE, and using another 1st on a RB, Hurney has set us back years.

Given that is takes a few years to truly evaluate a draft. Any proclamations about guys like AE and Brown are premature. As for Stewart and Otah, I don't agree with you at all. Have we missed the mark at times like with Jarrett, absolutely.

But horrible?? Can't agree.

[MHS831]

About the 2003 Team: Who were the Hurney players who produced? Morgan? That is about it. If you are crediting Hurney with that team, you are mistaken. The doctor from SC who prescribed steroid cream had more to do with the NFC championship than Hurney.

[MaineManPanther]

About the 2003 Team: Who were the Hurney players who produced? Morgan? That is about it. If you are crediting Hurney with that team, you are mistaken. The doctor from SC who prescribed steroid cream had more to do with the NFC championship than Hurney.

Well if were talking about drafting

Gross

Peppers

Witherspoon

Foster

Manning

FA:

Delhomme

Davis

Prohel

[Stroupe-a-loop]

Well if were talking about drafting

Gross

Peppers

Witherspoon

Foster

Manning

FA:

Delhomme

Davis

Prohel

Some of those guys contributed.

[holycrikey]

I'm not too down on Hurney. Seriously, compare the management of the Panthers to other teams. Hurney & Company is far from the worst. There have been some real bone-headed managers out there. The only thing I really fault him (and the Panthers organization) for is repeatedly failing to get a top notch WR to get opposite Smitty. Seriously, that crap should have happened years ago. There were many good free agents we just simply passed on. Not smart.