Hurney Must Go

[thefuzz]

Love how many fans keep bring up delhomme last contract.

Which was a necessary evil as the panthers needed cap space, and they created it by giving delhomme a contract extension. Yes, it was more than he was worth, although that contract hasn't hurt the team at all!

So keep bring up that subject, cause it just shows y'all don't

even know what you are talking about.

We bring it up because it's a GM's problem if we are in cap hell....which we were.

Good Lord.

[AceMan]

How did the Delhomme contract hurt the team? I think it's a valid point. It gave us cap room that year and then we got rid of it in the uncapped year. It hurt Richardson's pocket but not the team.

1st of all, Delhomme was force-fed the starting job because of the extension. That hurt our whole 2009 season.

The cap room we saved was needed, but was not a positive or bonus. Who did we sign with this amazing cap room that Delhomme gave us?

If you are hurting the pockets of the owner, you are still hurting the team. Why should JR continue to shell out money when he's paying 10 million dollars of dead money to a guy just so he won't embarrass us anymore? I hypothesize...

Delhomme was the last straw in JR going cheap this year

[AceMan]

We bring it up because it's a GM's problem if we are in cap hell....which we were.

Good Lord.

^ This as well :yesnod:

[Stroupe-a-loop]

1st of all, Delhomme was force-fed the starting job because of the extension. That hurt our whole 2009 season.

The cap room we saved was needed, but was not a positive or bonus. Who did we sign with this amazing cap room that Delhomme gave us?

If you are hurting the pockets of the owner, you are still hurting the team. Why should JR continue to shell out money when he's paying 10 million dollars of dead money to a guy just so he won't embarrass us anymore? I hypothesize...

Delhomme was the last straw in JR going cheap this year

1. Yes, the next season where we gave the starting job to Moore was a miracle, and a day fondly remembered by all Panthers fans

2. The cap room we saved was needed to keep together a team that was just the 2 seed. Did you want to blow it up then? The contract was the best way to do that.

3. I have never seen anything to indicate JR going cheap was because of Delhomme, or any other contract, and not the CBA. You are making things up.

Face it. The Delhomme contract looked stupid at the time and looks stupider now, but it in no way set the franchise back.

[SorthNarolina]

1st of all, Delhomme was force-fed the starting job because of the extension. That hurt our whole 2009 season.

The cap room we saved was needed, but was not a positive or bonus. Who did we sign with this amazing cap room that Delhomme gave us?

If you are hurting the pockets of the owner, you are still hurting the team. Why should JR continue to shell out money when he's paying 10 million dollars of dead money to a guy just so he won't embarrass us anymore? I hypothesize...

Delhomme was the last straw in JR going cheap this year

JR is obviously using the uncapped year to dump bad contracts and he's also scared of no new CBA being reached. On top of that we have a tsunami of FA's entering their prime who deserve a bigger contract than they currently have.

So he cut Delhome because he was bad money, and he didn't sign anybody to replace him because we wants to be spending as little money as possible during a 2011 lockout if it happens. If there is football in 2011 he will be able to devote a lot more money to our upcoming FA's because he absorbed the penalties during this uncapped year.

It might be agonizing to think about the owner of the franchise basically putting a competitive football team on the back burner. But it's pretty easy to see the reasoning behind his actions. Even if you don't agree with the reasons.

[Pimpdaddy]

Of course the duhlomme contract freed money for the year but he ended up getting more guaranteed money, a reward... Both Fox and Hurney knew he had an elbow problem in (2006) prior to the blow out and chose to ignore the most importand position in the game. Lets see who was available, oh yea! Drew Brees!....

My point is Hurney is not a good judge of talent and has no forethought predicting the needs of this team. He puts out fires that he has created....

[Pimpdaddy]

We bring it up because it's a GM's problem if we are in cap hell....which we were.

Good Lord.

and he's touted as a cap guru.... :hurray:

[Stroupe-a-loop]

Of course the duhlomme contract freed money for the year but he ended up getting more guaranteed money, a reward... Both Fox and Hurney knew he had an elbow problem in (2006) prior to the blow out and chose to ignore the most importand position in the game. Lets see who was available, oh yea! Drew Brees!....

It doesn't matter that he got guaranteed money because of the capless year. It didn't affect the franchise at all.

I never heard the team knew about the elbow prior to the blowout. Would you mind linking me to something?

[Pimpdaddy]

It doesn't matter that he got guaranteed money because of the capless year. It didn't affect the franchise at all.

I never heard the team knew about the elbow prior to the blowout. Would you mind linking me to something?

Here...

[Stroupe-a-loop]

Here...

"Delhomme got off to one of the best statistical starts of his career in new offensive coordinator Jeff Davidson's offense last season. But he said he'd been having elbow pain for several years and, in a September game in Atlanta, Delhomme's elbow and Carolina's season collapsed. "

Is that the portion you are referring to? If it is, I don't see how that justifies us going after Drew Brees. Was it bad elbow pain? Did he even tell anybody? Wouldn't it seem insane to bring in a quarterback coming off major reconstructive surgery on his shoulder because your entrenched quarterback has elbow pain?

Anyway, you may be referring to something else, and if that's the case I apologize. I was just trying to make the point that the Delhomme extension after the playoff loss didn't kill the franchise, and I stand by that.

[MHS831]

How did the Delhomme contract hurt the team? I think it's a valid point. It gave us cap room that year and then we got rid of it in the uncapped year. It hurt Richardson's pocket but not the team.

Why then is the $$ Richardson is willing to pay a coach so important? If the team doesn't make money, the program suffers. There seems to be a theory that JR will not pay $8 million per for a great coach. That is only $1.5 more than Fox was making. Is the cap the only thing? Should we pay the opposing QB to beat us? We did.

I guess the point is this--we are dealing with money, and the bottom line of the organization has nothing to do with salary caps. It has everything to do with the cost of seats, beers, hot dogs, etc. It was a stupid move. regardless of the cap because it weakened the financial strength of the franchise. You don't give money away.

What bothered me the most was the emotional attachment Hurney had with Jake's agent when they cut him. Hurney flew to Chicago to tell him in person. The agent described how emotional it was. He described a distraught Hurney. Is this the guy we want making the tough personnel decisions aligned with the business of running a football team? Did emotions get in the way of judgement? Nobody knows, but this is unusual.

[Pimpdaddy]

"Delhomme got off to one of the best statistical starts of his career in new offensive coordinator Jeff Davidson's offense last season. But he said he'd been having elbow pain for several years and, in a September game in Atlanta, Delhomme's elbow and Carolina's season collapsed. "

Is that the portion you are referring to? If it is, I don't see how that justifies us going after Drew Brees. Was it bad elbow pain? Did he even tell anybody? Wouldn't it seem insane to bring in a quarterback coming off major reconstructive surgery on his shoulder because your entrenched quarterback has elbow pain?

Anyway, you may be referring to something else, and if that's the case I apologize. I was just trying to make the point that the Delhomme extension after the playoff loss didn't kill the franchise, and I stand by that.

No apology necessary. We just never really had any viable backup to duhlomme who could step in and win..it was always a bandaid. We had been taking flyers on QB's for awhile why not Brees. Matt Ryan and Shaub backed up Vick, Cassle backed up Brady, Rogers backed up Farve.... Who did Hurney have backing up Jakers?

This elbow thing is just one of my many indictments on Hurney because many think he is soooo great. Hes mediocre at best in my opinion.... Why did we keep Jarrett around for so long if he sucked that bad. What about Edwards... you see a pattern developing here?

[Stroupe-a-loop]

Why then is the $$ Richardson is willing to pay a coach so important? If the team doesn't make money, the program suffers. There seems to be a theory that JR will not pay $8 million per for a great coach. That is only $1.5 more than Fox was making. Is the cap the only thing? Should we pay the opposing QB to beat us? We did.

I guess the point is this--we are dealing with money, and the bottom line of the organization has nothing to do with salary caps. It has everything to do with the cost of seats, beers, hot dogs, etc. It was a stupid move. regardless of the cap because it weakened the financial strength of the franchise. You don't give money away.

What bothered me the most was the emotional attachment Hurney had with Jake's agent when they cut him. Hurney flew to Chicago to tell him in person. The agent described how emotional it was. He described a distraught Hurney. Is this the guy we want making the tough personnel decisions aligned with the business of running a football team? Did emotions get in the way of judgement? Nobody knows, but this is unusual.

Listen, every contract has some degree of risk, and if that move was going to compromise Mr. Richardson financially for a number of years, he wouldn't have made it. The contract helped us bring back most of a very good team from the year before, and we dumped it in the uncapped year. It just didn't have that big an impact on the team. That's all I'm saying.

Your last point is a good one. He may be too emotional and get too close to players and that clouds his judgment. Or go after his draft record, or free agency activity, whatever. I think that makes much more sense for us to argue about the than the bottom line budget of the team, which we have no way of knowing.

[MaineManPanther]

You seem to have a lot of common sense, on this and other posts. I am thinking Hurney will lose some power to the new coach.

Hurney's record has not been good lately. Anybody who thinks we are benefitting from his moves is an idiot. Here is why:

Corvey Irvin: Was a fifth rounder on many boards, Hurney grabs him in the 3rd when we desperately need DTs. Practice Squad fodder.

Jonathan Stewart: Has practiced about 20 times in 2 years. Sure, he ran for 1100 yards last season, but we drafted him injured, conferred with doctors, and he has not healed. He may be on the field and successful now, but for how long?

Because we drafted Stewart, we traded our second rounder and the following year's first rounder for Jeff Otah, who had a history of injuries at Pitt. He has missed about half of his games as a Panther. Even if healthy, did we really give a first and second rounder for a RIGHT tackle?

Jimmy Clausen is well documented. However, in evaluating Hurney, discuss what he TRIED to do: Trade our first rounder this year to move up to draft CLAUSEN! Imagine what people would be saying if we get the top pick? Hurney would be tarred and feathered.

Armanti Edwards: A 5' 10" QB at a small college-how is that better than a college WR who has experience returning punts? This was the most important draft in team history--HURNEY's WORDS. Needs: WR, DT, QB depth. We draft a WR in the early 3rd. Time for a DT, right? Nope. We grab Edwards.

So we wait to the 4th round to grab that DT we needed. Instead, we draft Eric Norwood, a player with no real position. A special teamer.

With no fifth rounder, Hurney resorts to BPA in the sixth. We do great, drafting Gettis, Pike, and Hardy. Still, no DT. Oh well.

The biggest draft in team history, and Hurney sidesteps needs and nearly trades away the rights to the biggest Franchise QB since Elway. The fact that Clausen fell past people who desperately need a QB tells me that they saw something in him Hurney did not. That is scary.

Stewart: Who cares about practise as long as he plays. He's missed very few if any, games in his three years here. He's played great. You can't judge a pick based on wether he "might" not play in the future.

Edwards: The choice is questionable. But ultimatley you can't judge a rookie when they have yet to have a full rookie season done with.

Norwood: Was one of the best players avaible and wasnt projected to go this high up in the draft. Who would you have drafted at DT for that pick?

After the #124 Norwood pick there there were only two other DT picks selected till the #234 pick. The closet one being Cam thomas who was picked 22 picks later in the 5th round.

The Clasusen senario would be scary if:

1. The trade actually happnened.

2. Hurney knowingngly traded Clausen straight up instead of Luck like your implying. But a year ago there was no way to tell that Luck ( a freshmen at the time) would have declared, wouldve sustained his success, and that we wouldve had the #1 pick.