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Those who want Cam Newton First overall...

Ricky Spanish

By Ricky Spanish,
in Carolina Panthers

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kdrh5 Newbie

kdrh5

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...i'm still waiting for your list of players who have achieved at the "right" levels...

Thank god you're not our gm if you think the following players are "busts".

Every player below is starting (with exception of keiland williams) or was a starter and is now on ir.

Joseph addai

dwayne bowe

ryan clark

glenn dorsey

alan faneca

kevin faulk

bradie james

laron landry

todd mcclure

stephen peterman

marcus spears

corey webster

andrew whitworth

keiland williams

kyle williams

please tell me who the carolina panthers have drafted, in the previous 2 years, that can compare with any of these players?? Mike goodson? Maybe?

you think that anyone on the carolina panthers current d-line is better than glenn dorsey/marcus spears/kyle williams? Hester is much better than fiammetta.

At the end of the day, i guess the carolina panthers as of late are only interested in getting "talent" that won't produce for you anyway... So i don't even know why i'm arguing this with you.

lol

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Panthercougar68 Grand Master

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If he has a amazing game against Oregon I have a feeling his stock is gonna sky rocket to that of Lucks right now. If we do end up picking first (which most likely we are) I think if were going QB route were gonna have to choose between the two. If that's the case hopefully whoever is making the pick choices wisely. Newton might be the next great thing or the next Vince Young and preform sub par. I just don't want to be let down by a hype machine :(

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Cam isn't a convicted felon. Cam has a dad issue. Pro game will likely be good for him and some space.

How many people has Steve Smith suckerpunched on his own team? This illusion Carolina only embraces the squeaky clean isn't 100% accurate.

Smitty isn't a convicted felon either.

Newton, only because the laptop owner backed out.

Newton was charged with felony counts of burglary, larceny and obstruction of justice.
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Rhys Newbie

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This is partially a re-post but I thought it deserved it's own unique discussion.

One of the main concerns with Newton, that rarely gets talked about when discussing how successful he may or may not be in the NFL, is his maturity.

JaMarcus Russell is a prime example. Ryan Leaf is another.

You can have all the physical tools in the world and go on to be horrible at what you do. One could even argue Vick was not mature enough for the NFL. Now that he has learned to appreciate his position and take it seriously he is suddenly one of the most prolific passers we've seen in a while.

If I knew Newton (no pun intended) had the same maturity, and drive that Vick did now I would absolutely want to draft him, because I would know he was motivated to hone his talents and really work at being one of the best, and the kid certainly has the raw talent to be one of the best. But it's hard not to question the kid's maturity with all that is surrounding his college career.

He may be yet another ultra-talented prospect that goes into the NFL thinking he can get by with his raw athletic talent, not work his tail off to actually be great, and completely fail at QB. There have been countless examples of such.

In college you can completely own up with his style of play. He has super-athletic talents and he used them to his advantage time and again and that was enough for him. In the NFL, that doesn't fly, and he will absolutely have to develop his passing, and defensive reading, and decision making, etc. if he wants to be good. He won't be able to just get by with his physical talents anymore.

He is a play-maker for sure, but at QB, first and foremost, you have to be a good decision maker.

From now on, I'm sure the kid is going to say all the right things, and do all the right things up until the draft. But I cannot really be sure he is mature enough for the position he is inevitably going to be thrust into. I cannot help but doubt that were he drafted and came here to Carolina that he would actually want to make this franchise great.

Can anyone convince me otherwise? Can anyone say with surety that Newton is mature, and motivated, and ready to DEVELOP into a franchise QB. You cannot just expect to give the same amount of effort in college as in the pros and get by. It will not be enough.

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Carolina Husker Newbie

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...I'm still waiting for your list of players who have achieved at the "right" levels...

Thank god you're not our GM if you think the following players are "busts".

Every player below is starting (with exception of Keiland Williams) or was a starter and is now on IR.

Joseph Addai

Dwayne Bowe

Ryan Clark

Glenn Dorsey

Alan Faneca

Kevin Faulk

Bradie James

Laron Landry

Todd McClure

Stephen Peterman

Marcus Spears

Corey Webster

Andrew Whitworth

Keiland Williams

Kyle Williams

Please tell me who the Carolina Panthers have drafted, in the previous 2 years, that can compare with any of these players?? Mike Goodson? Maybe?

You think that ANYONE on the Carolina Panthers current D-Line is better than Glenn Dorsey/Marcus Spears/Kyle Williams? Hester is MUCH better than Fiammetta.

At the end of the day, I guess the Carolina Panthers as of late are only interested in getting "talent" that won't produce for you anyway... so I don't even know why I'm arguing this with you.

Why on Earth would you think I'd be willing to go through every draft and tell you the players that met expectations that those that didn't? You're moving the goalpost here.

The conversation was about, almost as a whole, how terribly LSU players have done in the NFL as of late. If you think comparing that list of average at best players against the one-of-the-worst-teams-of-the-modern-era 2010 Carolina Panthers makes your argument stronger somehow, you'll have to excuse the snickering going on around you and speak up.

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