Worst Situation in the NFL

[RockECU]

push at LB? Who does Arizona have besides Porter?

Lenon is a has been.

Hayes and Haggans. Remember, they use a 3-4. Some would say Carolina's are more athletic but under-sized with less experience and some would say the Cards is less athletic but better, bigger and they have more experience. If you're judging by future bang for your buck, Carolina absolutely gets the nod IMO.

[panthers55]

The silver lining is that the horrible year this year will force Richardson to retain more vets and spend next year in free agency. When he said if we weren't going to have back to back winning seasons so he would go with a youth movement I think he was going to embark on a new philosophy of building through the draft and routinely replace guys finishing up their rookie contract with younger guys who were cheaper. Not just this year but going forward. When we were so bad using this philosophy he now has to realize that it won't work. If we had finished this year at 7-9 instead of what is likely 1-15 or 2-14 he might have done the same thing next year and beyond. Why spend a ton of money retaining high priced guys on their second contract, when you can replace him with cheaper guys still on a rookie contract. I know I have no proof of any of this but beleive it to be true. Now the liklihood that this one year abberation doesn't continue going forward has risen significantly. He knows that another year like this will cause a fan revolt and convince few guys to want to play here much like what occurs in Detroit and Buffalo every year.

[Delhommey]

Watching the gradual morphing of P55 into a wall o' text, conspiracy poster entertains me.

[panthers55]

Watching the gradual morphing of P55 into a wall o' text, conspiracy poster entertains me.

I bet even more entertaining is watching how damn accurate my conspiracy theories are turning out to be. But then again I took crap from posters like you in the offseason and who ended up being right?? Maybe instead of being just amused you should be paying closer attention and learning something.

[RockECU]

I think he has better QB instincts for one. and better accuracy right now too. and he's emotionally stable.

Derek Anderson has had his chance to be good. He failed. Clausen still has a chance

By your definition, Kerry Collins failed then too.

..I never said John Skelton was good. What I've seen (Hall & DA) are better than what we have.

Derek Anderson had a pretty good year in 07. Threw for almost 4000 yards, 29 TDS and 18INT. It would take JC at least 2.5 more seasons to throw for those yards and 14-18 more years in the league to amass just that amount of TDs. Of course, assuming everything stays constant and his ratio of 1:6 TD to INT in 9 games stays the same, which I'm betting will not change any time soon.

When are you gonna take your Notre Dame undies off?

[SteveSmithOwns]

By your definition, Kerry Collins failed then too.

..I never said John Skelton was good. What I've seen (Hall & DA) are better than what we have.

Derek Anderson had a pretty good year in 07. Threw for almost 4000 yards, 29 TDS and 18INT. It would take JC at least 2.5 more seasons to throw for those yards and 14-18 more years in the league to amass just that amount of TDs. Of course, assuming everything stays constant and his ratio of 1:6 TD to INT in 9 games stays the same, which I'm betting will not change any time soon.

When are you gonna take your Notre Dame undies off?

haha, dude, I actually hate Notre Dame. Don't like em at all. However, because Jimmy Clausen is on the Panthers, I am hoping for his success. I don't think he will ever be the franchise QB that we tried to draft him to be, and I am a huge advocate of drafting Luck if we get the #1 pick, which is why I hope we lose to Arizona. However, I do think given a few years, he will atleast be passable as an NFL starter. I don't take a 6 game trial as a fact that he will be a failure his entire career. I am curious as to why you seem so low on Clausen? I don't see a reason to be high, but you really seem to be trying to throw him down even further than he already is.

[RockECU]

haha, dude, I actually hate Notre Dame. Don't like em at all. However, because Jimmy Clausen is on the Panthers, I am hoping for his success. I don't think he will ever be the franchise QB that we tried to draft him to be, and I am a huge advocate of drafting Luck if we get the #1 pick, which is why I hope we lose to Arizona. However, I do think given a few years, he will atleast be passable as an NFL starter. I don't take a 6 game trial as a fact that he will be a failure his entire career. I am curious as to why you seem so low on Clausen? I don't see a reason to be high, but you really seem to be trying to throw him down even further than he already is.

Not really trying to throw him down lower than he really is. I'm just a realist is all.. and situations like these rarely pan out.... (Lame duck coach leaves, new coach comes in, he's not his guy, and drafts/signs his kind of guy, Clausen is never heard of again)... I mean, how good can he get when he has so much trouble with handling just the snap to begin with? He reminds me a lot of Danny Wuerrfel.

[Catalyst]

well, let's make it simpler then. Besides QB, WR and HB, could you name 5 people on the Bills?

Corey McIntyre, FB

Dematrius Bell, LT

Andy Levitre, OG

Geoff Hangartner, C

Eric Wood, OG

Marcus Stroud, DE

Kyle Williams, DT

Aaron Maybin, OLB

Keith Ellison, OLB

Paul Posluzny, LB

Leodis McKelvin, CB

Jairus Byrd, S

Donte Whitner, S

Ryan Lindell, K

Brian Moorman, P

.... Just saying...

[SteveSmithOwns]

Not really trying to throw him down lower than he really is. I'm just a realist is all.. and situations like these rarely pan out.... (Lame duck coach leaves, new coach comes in, he's not his guy, and drafts/signs his kind of guy, Clausen is never heard of again)... I mean, how good can he get when he has so much trouble with handling just the snap to begin with? He reminds me a lot of Danny Wuerrfel.

yeah, his situation isn't good right now. but alot also depends on if we get the #1 pick or not. if we don't, I think Jimmy will have another year to try it out, especially if Hurney is still here. you know how much Hurney hates drafting QB's early. The difference between us is I can still seem a little room for improvement. might not be that much, but it is still there. you seem to have given up all hope whatsoever

[TheRealDeal]

I think he has better QB instincts for one. and better accuracy right now too. and he's emotionally stable.

Derek Anderson has had his chance to be good. He failed. Clausen still has a chance

WTF are QB "instincts"? Are those similar to the "pedigree" Clausen has?

He might have a higher completion percentage but it by no measure means he is more accurate. You have to watch games and understand football to judge that (not saying you don't just saying stats lie). Jimmy is a checkdown machine, DA pushes the ball downfield as their offense requires. Also, Jimmy has been the benefactor or some pretty soft defenses towards the ends of games.

For example, last game in the late 3rd/4th quarter, Jimmy's completion perecentage was below 50%. Seattle is up big, and BOOM all of the sudden Jimmy starts hitting passes again and his percentage and accuracy looks better than it is.

I think calling DA emotionally unstable is a bit unfair considering the circumstances. YOU don't know that Jimmy isn't emotionally unstable either. I'd say the odds of him being emotionally unstable when facing adversity are a lot higher considering his background but that's just me.

I gave you all night and you came up with 3 things, 2 of which are fake/made up and aren't quantifiable and the other is so close that an edge shouldn't be given to either player based on actual game footage and not stats.

[SteveSmithOwns]

WTF are QB "instincts"? Are those similar to the "pedigree" Clausen has?

He might have a higher completion percentage but it by no measure means he is more accurate. You have to watch games and understand football to judge that (not saying you don't just saying stats lie). Jimmy is a checkdown machine, DA pushes the ball downfield as their offense requires. Also, Jimmy has been the benefactor or some pretty soft defenses towards the ends of games.

For example, last game in the late 3rd/4th quarter, Jimmy's completion perecentage was below 50%. Seattle is up big, and BOOM all of the sudden Jimmy starts hitting passes again and his percentage and accuracy looks better than it is.

I think calling DA emotionally unstable is a bit unfair considering the circumstances. YOU don't know that Jimmy isn't emotionally unstable either. I'd say the odds of him being emotionally unstable when facing adversity are a lot higher considering his background but that's just me.

I gave you all night and you came up with 3 things, 2 of which are fake/made up and aren't quantifiable and the other is so close that an edge shouldn't be given to either player based on actual game footage and not stats.

Again, you are basing all of this on 6 games. If you took an NFL scout, who I think both of us would say knows more about the game than either of us, he would tell you Jimmy Clausen is the more accurate passer between the two. You say Clausen is a "checkdown machine". he kind of has to be when he is playing behind a crappy o-line when he is getting killed and rookie WR's who still are learning the position. he is learning the position also. I don't see how anybody can think Derek Anderson has any room to grow. He's 28 or so, has started for a few years and hasn't done much. Clausen is STILL A ROOKIE. of course he isn't going to be amazing.

And again, I don't think Clausen is going to be the future Panther's QB, nor do I particularly want him to be the future QB unless he somehow 'figures it out', but I don't see any scenario where any GM would take Derek Anderson above Jimmy Clausen in a draft in terms of potential.

[TheRealDeal]

Jimmy completes 50.5% of his passes and DA completes 51.7% of his passes. Not so telling there. Then add in the fact that Jimmy only has a 5.3 yard average and compare that to DA which is a whole yard higher and you see why it's close. If Jimmy had a higher average you can assume his completion % would go down based on his historical numbers.

Jimmy is the only QB in the NFL with a YPA under 6. Kinda sad. Please tell me again why Jimmy is more accurate?

He checks down a ton, is the beneficiary of some soft defenses at the end of games, AND STILL has a lower completion % than Anderson.

If age is the only thing you have to base your opinion on then consider it a lost argument sir.

[SteveSmithOwns]

Jimmy completes 50.5% of his passes and DA completes 51.7% of his passes. Not so telling there. Then add in the fact that Jimmy only has a 5.3 yard average and compare that to DA which is a whole yard higher and you see why it's close. If Jimmy had a higher average you can assume his completion % would go down based on his historical numbers.

Jimmy is the only QB in the NFL with a YPA under 6. Kinda sad. Please tell me again why Jimmy is more accurate?

He checks down a ton, is the beneficiary of some soft defenses at the end of games, AND STILL has a lower completion % than Anderson.

If age is the only thing you have to base your opinion on then consider it a lost argument sir.

Ok, so let's say Jimmy Clausen is worse than Derek Anderson right now, which I still think could be argued. You don't think that Clausen has any room to grow? I don't in any stretch of the imagination think it's hard to say there is atleast a 70% chance that Clausen will be better than DA is right now. Just because of that chance I would take Clausen even if he was worse right now. You seem to to think that there is no way Clausen can get better.

And again, you are comparing a veteran QB with weapons, albeit no run game to a ROOKIE QB with less weapons and a slightly better run game. of course the veteran should win every time

[chef17]

Chicago game. Smith was out. Threw to Edwards, LaFell and Gettis

He had Clowney that game also. And that was when we had AE at QB for a couple plays, if I remember correctly he didn't play WR, could be wrong tho. And one game doesn't equate to "throwing many times to 3 rookie receivers" as you claim.