Hurney report card

[Cavscout]

Hurneys report card:

Being Richardson's 'Yes Man"---A

Drafting talent---B

Trades---F

Finding quality FA's---D

Hiring coaches---incomplete

[MaineManPanther]

lol you don't consider where your pick might end up when you trade it away?

OK then, maybe we can find a GM that will.

And how would you go about accuratley doing that? Each year the NFL has new good teams and bad teams. There is so much that goes into it, that it would be no way with any cofidence to detremine your spot. Obivously you can consider it, but its so inexact.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

I wouldn't stick myself in that position to begin with. Anytime you trade a future pick there's a chance it ends up being at the top of the round. Injuries happen and like you said, you never know, so you have to at least consider that you could have a bad season. And no matter what you're losing out. It's like hey, best case scenario we're getting ripped off and if things go bad we're getting bent over like a 2 dollar hoe. Not exactly the type of deals I'd like to make a habit of pulling off.

We've been the biggest draft day dealers of future picks in the last few years and look where we're at. Patriots consistently do the exact opposite and last I checked they have the best record in the league and just destroyed a really good Jets team.

That's what I mean when I say the GM is responsible for putting in a winning system and philosophy. You know what the Pats do, trade down, trade current picks for future higher ones, trade aging players right before their value drops off, don't give guys huge contracts, ect, ect. They do it every year and it works.

What's oh great Hurney's system to building a championship team? Sometimes we make big splashes in FA, sometimes we sit around and do jack sh*t. We've ignored QB position in the draft for years and now we used our first selection on one. We've had veteran teams which were never consistent as we can't replace guys before their play falls off. Then we go with the youth movement and so far it's a disaster. Then we get into the habit of trading future picks and works short term before you get to the next draft and start missing those picks.

It's all over the place, Hurney has been here for years and hasn't been able to put a system into place that gives any kind of blueprint for success. Every year it's "hey that didn't work, let's try this now" and sometimes we get a year of decent play and sometimes we don't.

[MaineManPanther]

There's always a chance a trade goes bad an you end up worse. Edwards is an Example. Theres also a chance it ends up better. Look how we traded our 09 28th pick for an 08 19th place pick ( granted we still gave a second and fourth, but the point stands).

Every trade has its risks. What needs to be considred is if the player you traded for (Edwards/Otah in this example) will be worth it in the long run. Not just by there specific production, but how they effect the team. It was defintley a gamble, but one that Im not ready to judge till next year at the earliest.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

A 19 for a 28, 43 and 109 is still a bad trade. And imagine how bad of a trade it would have been if our future 1st ended up in the top 5 (easily possible for ANY team with a single injury to your starting QB).

This is what I mean when I say even in the best case scenario you are still getting ripped off. You're never going to come out ahead trading future picks.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

Here

19 = $875

28 (660) + 43 (470) + 109 (76) = $1206

So for $875 we gave up $1206 in value... with the possibility of giving up a whopping $3,546 if things turned sour.

Loan sharks don't get these type of markups.

[MaineManPanther]

A 19 for a 28, 43 and 109 is still a bad trade. And imagine how bad of a trade it would have been if our future 1st ended up in the top 5 (easily possible for ANY team with a single injury to your starting QB).

This is what I mean when I say even in the best case scenario you are still getting ripped off. You're never going to come out ahead trading future picks.

The first round pick was still ours we just chose to use it a year earlier.

But I understand your point, and as far as pick value went, we did get the raw end of the deal. Luckily the best case senario hasnt occured yet, Otah still is young and can still improve. Same with Edwards an Brown. If they do, then the trade, while still value wise raw, can end up making for it in differnt ways.

Next year will be a big one in determing the afermentioned trades. Brown will be in his third, Otah in his fourth. And Edwards his second.

If Otah contiues to be injured and Edwards and Brown fails to pan out. I will promtly change my view. But I personally can't until I see more.

[Baschski]

Hurneys report card:

Being Richardson's 'Yes Man"---A

Drafting talent---B

Trades---F

Finding quality FA's---D

Hiring coaches---incomplete

Why does he get an F for Trades? Because he hasn't done a lot of them? Take a look at the more successful franchises in the league, they don't sell out for big trades hardly ever. I think he's made some pretty good lower-level trades (Harris, for example).

[R0CKnR0LLA]

The players where we got them (other than AE) I don't really have a problem with. As I said I don't think Brown is a bad 2nd round pick and Otah isn't terrible for 19th overall (though I hope he can stay healthy). AE i think blows and was a huge reach in the 3rd but whatever, he's a project, hopefully he develops in a year or two. Overall, I can live with these selections but it's mainly the scouting department here that gets credit or blame here.

The pick for pick trades themselves though are killing us and that's all on Hurney.

[MaineManPanther]

True but Hurney bases the trade (I assume/hope) off how highly his scouts view the player and the rest of the Draft. So I would think there all intertwined.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

Eh kinda but that's just a trap bad GMs fall into. Hey this guy is a steal here... so sure let's trade a future higher pick away and take him. It's easy to talk yourself into that but what's missed is that it's very possible that future pick you end up in the same situation, with a higher valued player on the board.

People thought E.Brown was a 1st round talent so they didn't mind spending a future first on him. But then that future draft comes along and we miss out on a player that's an even better prospect, possibly top 10 talent, in Dez Bryant.

In that example Brown is looking more like a 2nd round talent where he was taken but even if you get the steal you're thinking you are you still lose out.

[MaineManPanther]

But that goes for any trade on any team, there will be always a chance that the pick won't pan out and/or we couldve had a better player had we only saved it. Just goes with the trade (pun not intended). Although regardless it should not be done excessivley

[Cyberjag]

Until this year, Hurney's managed to assemble a pretty good roster that was capable, barring injuries, of getting into the playoffs just about every year. How he's done it doesn't matter, he does his job in the way he see's fit. And he's judged by the overall results.

This year he was told to jettison all the leadership and let the coach be a lame duck. That sucks for all of us, but it's not indicative of the overall job he's done. And if we end up with Luck and he turns into the next Manning, then he's going to look like a genius.

He's the one who hired Fox, BTW. And he's going to hire our next coach. I'm looking forward to seeing who he comes up with.

[AceMan]

Can't wait until Hurney trades away our #1 pick instead of picking Luck...lol