Hurney report card

[Miaoww]

It's kinda hard to grade Hurney to me, but if I give him anything I would give him a C+.

He's hit some great talent that not many people thought they would work out. I just read a draft magazine back from 2007 that said Jon Beason wasn't going to do much in the NFL...look how that turned out

But I honestly think that Marty is on his last leg in the franchise and Im a firm believer that he'll be the GM in 2011 but not 2012.

Pretty sure he's here as long as he wants to be. Richardson loves him.

[WadeWilson]

I think the high round reaches on EB and AE downgrades him in my opinion.

Other than those gaffes (and the associated monies required to sign them) Hurney is very good with the cap. And he has picked some gems as other posters have pointed out.

[Panthercougar68]

Pretty sure he's here as long as he wants to be. Richardson loves him.

Richardson does love him and you're probably right but I met Hurney at a high school football game in Charlotte no too long ago and he's on edge about his job status.

[MaineManPanther]

Nope, I thought drafting Charles Johnson was a good move. I always thought the kid would be a decent player once he got on the field. You'll remember that Rucker was drafted in 2007 and Mike Rucker was the "other" DE along with Julius Peppers. Rucker retired after the 2007 season and Johnson began seeing more playing time in 2008, but he certainly wasn't going to start ahead of Rucker or Peppers.

He played in all 16 games in 2008 (didn't start any, but had 6 sacks that season) and began starting games last season. So, no, I don't consider drafting Charles Johnson idiocy. But you're picking at things instead of seeing the bigger picture.

Again, follow along with me here:

Drafting Armanti Edwards was idiocy. The Panthers traded to #89 overall to select a player to perform at the next higher level while playing a position he's never played. He was drafted to play a position he's never played, in the NFL, why is the idiocy of that move so difficult for some of you to understand? Especially when there were available receivers on the board who had played the position for most of their football lives and some were of immediate starting caliber.

Under that argument was drafting Antwaan Randle El, pure idiocy? Granted no trade was involved. But the Steelers still invested there second round pick to play a postion he's never played in.

[panthers55]

Nope, I thought drafting Charles Johnson was a good move. I always thought the kid would be a decent player once he got on the field. You'll remember that Rucker was drafted in 2007 and Mike Rucker was the "other" DE along with Julius Peppers. Rucker retired after the 2007 season and Johnson began seeing more playing time in 2008, but he certainly wasn't going to start ahead of Rucker or Peppers.

He played in all 16 games in 2008 (didn't start any, but had 6 sacks that season) and began starting games last season. So, no, I don't consider drafting Charles Johnson idiocy. But you're picking at things instead of seeing the bigger picture.

Again, follow along with me here:

Drafting Armanti Edwards was idiocy. The Panthers traded to #89 overall to select a player to perform at the next higher level while playing a position he's never played. He was drafted to play a position he's never played, in the NFL, why is the idiocy of that move so difficult for some of you to understand? Especially when there were available receivers on the board who had played the position for most of their football lives and some were of immediate starting caliber.

If you remember when Johnson came out he was a junior, pretty small really, and the knock was that he didn't have good moves, needed to beef up and wouldn't play for a couple of years. he was drafted not to start but to develop ovr timeto play in a year or two. He only played his first 2 years due to injury and wasn't very good. At the time most folks thought if he were kept it would only because he was a third rounder and they were much higher on McClover and some folks really liked Tony Brown. McClover turned out to have medical issues so we dumoed him and Brown is in Tennessee as a starter but isn't tearing it up. But Johnson was far from a sure thing.

The thing with Edwards is that some folks had him pegged as a returner but few people thought he would be a receiver year 1 or see duty at quarterback. The hope was develop him to be our version of Reggie Bush or perhaps a Wes Welker or even Mike Vick lite. Seems to me that our offense really precluded much of that happening. I figure Hurney knew that Fox wouldn't use him much this year but brought him on for the next coach and offensive coordinator knowing that Fox was going to be dumped. In that scenario it might not be idiocy if he plays a much larger role next year.

[Anybodyhome]

Under that argument was drafting Antwaan Randle El, pure idiocy? Granted no trade was involved. But the Steelers still invested there second round pick to play a postion he's never played in.

Really? You're wanting to compare a draft day decision made by a different team in 2002? Do you know what the Steeler's needs were on draft day in 2002? Are you familiar with their free agent situation on the defensive line or whether they were set at WR?

But aside from all that, Randle El has never lived up to his 2nd round pick.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

The GM is more responsible for developing an overall philosophy on how to build the team, how to approach free agency (lol), where to draft what position (two 1st round RBs in 3 years, the deepest position in the draft durrrrr) and how you're going to approach the draft board, trading up and down ect (hurrfff let's trade a 33rd pick straight up for the 89th pick durrrrr).

Picking out talent, basically the saving grace everyone runs to defend him with, has more to do with your scouting department.

College scouting department overall has done really well, just get some new guys that can really pick out WRs and DTs (I'm tits at scouting WRs Panthers, give my phone a ring). Pro scouting needs some major overhaul and for Hurney, he can kindly f**k off.

[MaineManPanther]

Really? You're wanting to compare a draft day decision made by a different team in 2002? Do you know what the Steeler's needs were on draft day in 2002? Are you familiar with their free agent situation on the defensive line or whether they were set at WR?

But aside from all that, Randle El has never lived up to his 2nd round pick.

You never mentioned the needs of our team as a reason for the idocy. I was simply using a similar example, based on your specific reason why it was dumb ( that we were drafting a player who never played the postion before).

As for living up to expectations. Look at his Pittsburgh career as a whole. He wasnt drafted soley as a WR. He was a accomplished slot WR. Excelled in PR. And had a hand in numerous succesfull rushing and passing gimmick plays.

As a whole player he was worth his second round pick.

[MaineManPanther]

The GM is more responsible for developing an overall philosophy on how to build the team, how to approach free agency (lol), where to draft what position (two 1st round RBs in 3 years, the deepest position in the draft durrrrr) and how you're going to approach the draft board, trading up and down ect (hurrfff let's trade a 33rd pick straight up for the 89th pick durrrrr).Picking out talent, basically the saving grace everyone runs to defend him with, has more to do with your scouting department.

College scouting department overall has done really well, just get some new guys that can really pick out WRs and DTs (I'm tits at scouting WRs Panthers, give my phone a ring). Pro scouting needs some major overhaul and for Hurney, he can kindly f**k off.

You act as if Hurney knew next year's draft postion prior to the trade, which he obviously couldnt have.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

That's the trade. The "well he didn't know" excuse shouldn't cut it in the NFL. And no matter what, you're always losing trading a 2nd for a late 3rd.

[MaineManPanther]

That's the trade. The "well he didn't know" excuse shouldn't cut it in the NFL. And no matter what, you're always losing trading a 2nd for a late 3rd.

Its not an excuse, its a fact that shouldnt be held accountable to Hurney or any GM.

You can logically critisize him for giving up a secound round pick. However where that pick ended up should not be a part of that.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

Don't hold him accountable for the trade that he himself made? Who is to blame then? ESPN? Mel Kiper? Baby Jesus? Sock puppets from outer space? Saltman's new STD for the week?

[MaineManPanther]

Don't hold him accountable for the trade that he himself made? Who is to blame then? ESPN? Mel Kiper? Baby Jesus? Sock puppets from outer space? Saltman's new STD for the week?

I unsure how you missed this... You can logically critisize him for giving up a secound round pick.

The specifc spot were said pick ended up is different. Figuring where a future trade pick is anybody's guess and therefore is not considred when the trade happens. In addition said pick had very little if anything to do with where the 11' pick ended up.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

lol you don't consider where your pick might end up when you trade it away?

OK then, maybe we can find a GM that will.