Hurney report card

[jayflip]

I think the contract extension they gave Delhomme suggests they thought they had their franchise QB.

I disagreed with that, but I still like a GM that stands by his convictions. We tried to find a development guy in later rounds (like that guy from Louisville who's name escapes me), and we tried to revive Carr's career. Obviously both failed miserably.

As for Colbert/Jarrett. I just think we got burned on USC receivers. Hopefully we've learned our lesson there. They looked like world beaters in college at a big time programme - it's an easy mistake to make.

The Jake contract wasn't anything but freeing up immediate cap space knowing if he stunk it up we could dump him in an uncapped year, take the hit when it DOESN'T matter and be OK salary-wise. It really was a win-win move. Jake could produce and we'd be fine, or he could be dumped and we'd be fine.

[MHS831]

Pot.

This is Kettle.

Racist (kidding)

Or

Point.

Make one.

[AceMan]

The Jake contract wasn't anything but freeing up immediate cap space knowing if he stunk it up we could dump him in an uncapped year, take the hit when it DOESN'T matter and be OK salary-wise. It really was a win-win move. Jake could produce and we'd be fine, or he could be dumped and we'd be fine.

edit:^^This - beat me to it by 2 mins

Someone explain to me how the Jake contract was a bad decision.

It freed up cap space. On top of that at the time the coaches believed Jake was going to rebound. If he had everyone was going to be lauding Hurney for locking Jake up. If Jake tanks (like he did) then we have the luxury of cutting Jake and all of his cap hit in an uncapped year when it doesn't hinder our ability to sign future players.

It looks like a no-brainer to give Jake the money when we did and either way it comes out good.

SMH...

...Because of that contract extension, Jake was "cemented" as our starter. Anyone with a brain could tell that Jake was falling apart as a QB from 2008. Jake was never THAT good to begin with.

JR loses out...The owner...he has to pay Jake 10 million to NOT be on the team. And people are wondering why he decided to go cheap this year?

Let's break down the whole deal

1.) Delhomme comes off worse game of his career

2.) For w/e reason(Cap, Motivation, etc.), Jake gets an extension THAT HE DOESN'T DESERVE.

3.) Jake is forced to start while he is bombing because of that extension.

4.) Owner has to pay a guy 10 million not to embarrass us anymore.

Because of that awful extension, we threw away the 2009 season and I would argue it resulted in us throwing away this season as well.

Get Hurney out of here along with Fox. He's been making too many huge mistakes the past 2-3 years.

[ElkinPanthersFan]

College Scouting Director, Don Gregory, is the real genius in the front office. In my opinion, Hurney simply is the figurehead and has the final say.

4) No. Clausen and LaFell are outperforming Pike and Gettis already

You seriously think LaFell is outperforming Gettis? 2 dropped TD's this weekend from LaFell.

[Davidson Deac II]

edit:^^This - beat me to it by 2 mins

Someone explain to me how the Jake contract was a bad decision.

It freed up cap space. On top of that at the time the coaches believed Jake was going to rebound. If he had everyone was going to be lauding Hurney for locking Jake up. If Jake tanks (like he did) then we have the luxury of cutting Jake and all of his cap hit in an uncapped year when it doesn't hinder our ability to sign future players.

It looks like a no-brainer to give Jake the money when we did and either way it comes out good.

We are paying him to pay for Cleveland. We are paying him a lot to play for Cleveland. It may not have an effect on cap space, or anything like that, but paying a lot of money to someone else's player is certainly not a good thing for the business. Its certainly not something JR wanted to do.

[Urrymonster]

You seriously think LaFell is outperforming Gettis? 2 dropped TD's this weekend from LaFell.

I thought those two drops were Clausen's fault.

[SOJA]

jesus, some of you act like the man should be able to predict the future. We could have a hell of a lot worse. All of his draft picks have been pretty logical and well researched. The Armanti pick baffles me, but I am withholding judgment on him till he gets on the field.

Although I am curious, on draft day Hurney said they had to move up to get Armanti because another team was about to draft him. How much do you wanna bet the Pats threatened to pick him just to get us to bite and overdraft him.....damn the Patriots so frickin smart

[Anybodyhome]

I love the "project" titles given to players.

Justify the idiocy of the Edwards move anyway you like, but the bottom line is this- you do not draft players who are deemed to be "projects" in the first 3 rounds. When a player is drafted in the first 3 rounds he is usually expected to crack the starting lineup within a year or two unless he's just a bust.

[MaineManPanther]

I love the "project" titles given to players.

Justify the idiocy of the Edwards move anyway you like, but the bottom line is this- you do not draft players who are deemed to be "projects" in the first 3 rounds. When a player is drafted in the first 3 rounds he is usually expected to crack the starting lineup within a year or two unless he's just a bust.

So you agree its stupid to call him a bust a with less then a whole season to go by.

[SorthNarolina]

Pot.

This is Kettle.

Damn before I scrolled down I thought you were going to say pot led to better discussions which is truee. It may go a little off course as we start arguing about which early 90s rapper was the best but it'd be a good time. I kind of want to make some brownies after exams but I'm scared a job might call that would suuuuuuuuuuuuck. Although the culinary industry is high 30-40% of the time.

[panthers55]

I love the "project" titles given to players.

Justify the idiocy of the Edwards move anyway you like, but the bottom line is this- you do not draft players who are deemed to be "projects" in the first 3 rounds. When a player is drafted in the first 3 rounds he is usually expected to crack the starting lineup within a year or two unless he's just a bust.

So you think drafting Charles Johnson in the third round in 2007 was idiocy because he was a third rounder and didn't start in year 1 or 2. He must be a total bust. Forget that he is starting this year and leading the defensive line in sacks and tackles. Forget he has 7.5 sacks and 50 tackles which are Julius Peppers type numbers this year.

[Panthercougar68]

It's kinda hard to grade Hurney to me, but if I give him anything I would give him a C+.

He's hit some great talent that not many people thought they would work out. I just read a draft magazine back from 2007 that said Jon Beason wasn't going to do much in the NFL...look how that turned out

But I honestly think that Marty is on his last leg in the franchise and Im a firm believer that he'll be the GM in 2011 but not 2012.

[Skew]

One thing is for sure. Hurney and his scouts have their heads up their ass when it comes to WR talent. Same could be said for QBs. With Brady & Manning being A+, Leaf being F, the best Hurney has done with all the QBs he's brought in is Delhomme and he's a C+ at best. He's failed in these two departments.

Hurney is good with cap numbers and overall talent at the rest of the positions, I'll give him that.

[Anybodyhome]

So you think drafting Charles Johnson in the third round in 2007 was idiocy because he was a third rounder and didn't start in year 1 or 2. He must be a total bust. Forget that he is starting this year and leading the defensive line in sacks and tackles. Forget he has 7.5 sacks and 50 tackles which are Julius Peppers type numbers this year.

Nope, I thought drafting Charles Johnson was a good move. I always thought the kid would be a decent player once he got on the field. You'll remember that Rucker was drafted in 2007 and Mike Rucker was the "other" DE along with Julius Peppers. Rucker retired after the 2007 season and Johnson began seeing more playing time in 2008, but he certainly wasn't going to start ahead of Rucker or Peppers.

He played in all 16 games in 2008 (didn't start any, but had 6 sacks that season) and began starting games last season. So, no, I don't consider drafting Charles Johnson idiocy. But you're picking at things instead of seeing the bigger picture.

Again, follow along with me here:

Drafting Armanti Edwards was idiocy. The Panthers traded to #89 overall to select a player to perform at the next higher level while playing a position he's never played. He was drafted to play a position he's never played, in the NFL, why is the idiocy of that move so difficult for some of you to understand? Especially when there were available receivers on the board who had played the position for most of their football lives and some were of immediate starting caliber.