Anyone Still Want to Defend Clausen?

[Miaoww]

Which is why QB is such a huge need atm.

Actually O-line and DT is a huge need.

[CatMan72]

lol.

Carolina bets the farm to get Armanti Edwards, then don't give the guy a single offensive touch.

This Franchise is f**king pathetic, man.

The "personnel department" bet the farm to get Armanti... Fox hasn't given the guy a chance.

[klumme]

He may check down alot I agree with that definitely but again in my opinion he does a good job of managing the offense for a rookie.

Does he really? Lets look at some rookie QB stats...

2010

Sam Bradford - 221 yds/game. 1,4 TD/game. 0.9 TO/game Comp% 60,6

Colt McCoy - 195 yds/game. 0.6 TD/game. 0.6 TO/game Comp% 63.8

2009

Matthew Stafford - 226 yds/game. 1.3 TD/game. 2.1 TO/game Comp& 53.3

Mark Sanchez - 162 yds/game. 1 TD/game. 1,5 TO/game Comp% 53,8

Josh Freeman - 206 yds/game. 1.1 TD/game. 2.2 TO/game Comp% 50

2008

Matt Ryan - 215 yds/game. 1.1 TD/game. 0.7 TO/game Comp% 61.1

Joe Flacco - 185 yds/game. 1 TD/game. 0.8 TO/game Comp% 60

2007

Trent Edwards - 181 yds/game. 0.8 TD/game. 0.9 TO /game. Comp% 56.1

2006

Vince Young - 170 yds/game. 1.4 TD/game. 1.2 TO/game. Comp% 51.5

Matt Leinart - 231 yds/game. 1.2 TD/game. 1.3 TO/game. Comp% 56.3

Jay Cutler - 200 yds/game. 1.8 TD/game. 1.4 TO/game. Comp% 59.1

JIMMY CLAUSEN - 176 yds/game. 0.1 TD/game. 1.4 TO/game. Comp% 50.

Fair to say Clausen is not doing a pretty good job managing the offence. Only 1 have fewer yds. NONE have less TD and NONE have a worse comp% Only 3 have more TO but they all have more TD and a better comp%. On top of that Clausen have had 8 fumbles in 6 starts so the TO could be much higher if not for some LUCK.

All in all Clausen have put on the worst rookie QB play in the last 5 years. Not one single stat show any type of imrovement over the season and even though that would be very marginal. If he keep up that tempo he will be an NFL QB in about 25 years.

And THAT is the one you will put as the reason not to draft maybe the best QB talent since Manning? Come on??? Really? Seriously? STOP!!!

[KatsAzz]

Once the ball is in his hands on any play that isn't a run, our offense completely dies. He doesn't read blitzes, doesn't know who's coming, who is his hot read... He makes the most throwaways I have ever seen from any QB EVER on a game-by-game basis. He has no "escapability" under pressure.

I have no problem with accepting this team sucks, but I can't continue watching this guy. There is NO possible way he is our "best chance to win."

St. Pierre was better.

I really hope they just give Armanti some snaps and let Null play. This guy doesn't belong on an NFL field.

You summed it up verty nicely when you evaluated Clausen.To me he is a career backup QB at best.

[AceMan]

I'm not gonna go point-by-point, but quickly...

No, I'm not Rodney, but I wish he got more respect than what he does around here. And I was just making the point that despite his fluffiness, the guy was pretty nimble and did a fairly good job moving around the pocket even at that late stage in his career. Clausen is young and can't get out of his own way, let alone opposing defenders. He's slow, he doesn't pre-read the defense, etc. So, not all of that is on the OL.

As far as Jake... Another case of not getting enough respect. Our QBs may have as well been reincarnates of Rodney Dangerfield. I'm not saying those stats translated to "knowing who's coming." What they do suggest is that he knew more often than he didn't. Despite what Jake "slurpers" think, the guy was a pretty decent to average QB for half of his career and it just crashed in a hurry though we all should have known this would happen. He wasn't the greatest ever, but he was a mediocre QB. If he didn't know who was coming, he wouldn't have lasted that long (although really he shouldn't have lasted as long as he did lol). :yesnod:

As far as Moore, if everyone has watched the games this year, I don't care what the stats say team-wise, the offense was better when Moore was in there. He could tell USUALLY where blitzes were coming from before the snap, but still occasionally made bad throws or took a hit from an OL missed assignment. No doubt he had some blunders, but he was gutsy and I trusted him a lot more to lead us to points over the long-term (especially if he would've gotten the run game Clausen's got now).

With Moore, he actually would take chances and made it a point to get Smitty the ball. I just find it amazing that people think Clausen has made progress. That's laughable. He actually looked better in the pre-season opener than any of his regular season games, visually at least. Only things he has improved on is less batted balls and slightly less fumbles.

He still checks down and throws away too much, he's not hitting guys when they are open. AGAIN, the good ones make the easy throws routinely, and he hasn't shown he can do that. He just looks lost and often like he shouldn't even be on an NFL roster. Again, I was hoping our QB of the future was already on this roster, and if it would've been Clausen, that no doubt would've been a good thing -especially in regards to national media.

But, he sucks and I don't understand how anyone can watch him and walkaway feeling optimistic about anything he has to offer.

SN: I consider a legitimate TD a TD thrown in against actual defense, with men in position, requiring the QB to make reads and a decision on where to go with the ball (not the "gimme" the Saints blown coverage allowed for Clausen to Stew).

Agree with this man!!! (Changed the Delhomme part a bit though)

[MHS831]

Does he really? Lets look at some rookie QB stats...

2010

Sam Bradford - 221 yds/game. 1,4 TD/game. 0.9 TO/game Comp% 60,6

Colt McCoy - 195 yds/game. 0.6 TD/game. 0.6 TO/game Comp% 63.8

2009

Matthew Stafford - 226 yds/game. 1.3 TD/game. 2.1 TO/game Comp& 53.3

Mark Sanchez - 162 yds/game. 1 TD/game. 1,5 TO/game Comp% 53,8

Josh Freeman - 206 yds/game. 1.1 TD/game. 2.2 TO/game Comp% 50

2008

Matt Ryan - 215 yds/game. 1.1 TD/game. 0.7 TO/game Comp% 61.1

Joe Flacco - 185 yds/game. 1 TD/game. 0.8 TO/game Comp% 60

2007

Trent Edwards - 181 yds/game. 0.8 TD/game. 0.9 TO /game. Comp% 56.1

2006

Vince Young - 170 yds/game. 1.4 TD/game. 1.2 TO/game. Comp% 51.5

Matt Leinart - 231 yds/game. 1.2 TD/game. 1.3 TO/game. Comp% 56.3

Jay Cutler - 200 yds/game. 1.8 TD/game. 1.4 TO/game. Comp% 59.1

JIMMY CLAUSEN - 176 yds/game. 0.1 TD/game. 1.4 TO/game. Comp% 50.

Fair to say Clausen is not doing a pretty good job managing the offence. Only 1 have fewer yds. NONE have less TD and NONE have a worse comp% Only 3 have more TO but they all have more TD and a better comp%. On top of that Clausen have had 8 fumbles in 6 starts so the TO could be much higher if not for some LUCK.

All in all Clausen have put on the worst rookie QB play in the last 5 years. Not one single stat show any type of imrovement over the season and even though that would be very marginal. If he keep up that tempo he will be an NFL QB in about 25 years.

And THAT is the one you will put as the reason not to draft maybe the best QB talent since Manning? Come on??? Really? Seriously? STOP!!!

Good research but very misleading. Here is why:

How many of these QBs you compare him to were first round draft picks? Where were names like Kellen Clemens, Henne, etc.? These guys for the most part were brought in to start, so their training camps were loaded with more reps. Moore was our starter. Clausen was to learn from the sidleline for a year. In fact, Colt McCoy is the only player I see from a lower round, and his stats are from how many games?

How many had 2 rookie WRs?

How many had 3 scrubs starting on the OL?

How many took the majority of snaps with the third or fourth string RB starting? This is significant promarily because Goodson, Sutton, and Vaughan combined to miss several blocks that led to sacks or hurries.

How many played for a lame-duck coach and his inept OC?

Not saying Clausen is the answer, but he is playing under circumstances never before experienced by a rookie. He has about 6 games under his belt as the starter.

We use the stats you mention because they are what we have. But there are too many variables that are team related to pin all problems on the QB. Clausen will improve as the team improves. Frankly, I would take any QB on your list and bring him here as a rookie to start. The results would be the same as Clausen's.

Here are the stats that would matter:

How much time on average did QBs have as a rookie to go through his progressions and throw the ball?

How many of their passes were on third and long?

How many of their WRs were open on each passing play?

THe only fair criticisms of Clausen are his low release, height, and leadership skills. He seems to lock on to one WR and panic when that WR is covered. Some of these criticisms are correctable, some not. Stats don't mean much. After all, Minnesota won 38-7 with Tavares Jackson (a name not on your list) throwing 3 interceptions.

[Snake]

Dude is just not working out. Still all we gave for him was a 2nd round pick. Think if a team would have let us trade up to get him.

[Jase]

Clausen played great while he had at least an illusion of a threat in the run game.

[Miaoww]

Dude is just not working out. Still all we gave for him was a 2nd round pick. Think if a team would have let us trade up to get him.

Good. This officially means people can stop bitching about Edwards then. 'Cos apparently second round picks are throw aways.

[ryoung]

As bad as he's been, offensive line is getting worse by the week. You can do what you do and blame Clausen every week but with this poo offensive line, no qb will succeed.

I can't disagree with this comment. However, there were times when he did have time and still seemed a little lost.

[Neylus]

Good research but very misleading. Here is why:

How many of these QBs you compare him to were first round draft picks? Where were names like Kellen Clemens, Henne, etc.? These guys for the most part were brought in to start, so their training camps were loaded with more reps. Moore was our starter. Clausen was to learn from the sidleline for a year. In fact, Colt McCoy is the only player I see from a lower round, and his stats are from how many games?

How many had 2 rookie WRs?

How many had 3 scrubs starting on the OL?

How many took the majority of snaps with the third or fourth string RB starting? This is significant promarily because Goodson, Sutton, and Vaughan combined to miss several blocks that led to sacks or hurries.

How many played for a lame-duck coach and his inept OC?

Not saying Clausen is the answer, but he is playing under circumstances never before experienced by a rookie. He has about 6 games under his belt as the starter.

We use the stats you mention because they are what we have. But there are too many variables that are team related to pin all problems on the QB. Clausen will improve as the team improves. Frankly, I would take any QB on your list and bring him here as a rookie to start. The results would be the same as Clausen's.

Here are the stats that would matter:

How much time on average did QBs have as a rookie to go through his progressions and throw the ball?

How many of their passes were on third and long?

How many of their WRs were open on each passing play?

THe only fair criticisms of Clausen are his low release, height, and leadership skills. He seems to lock on to one WR and panic when that WR is covered. Some of these criticisms are correctable, some not. Stats don't mean much. After all, Minnesota won 38-7 with Tavares Jackson (a name not on your list) throwing 3 interceptions.

Very good points which is why its frustrating as hell to determine Clausen's potential.

[klumme]

Good research but very misleading. Here is why:

How many of these QBs you compare him to were first round draft picks? Where were names like Kellen Clemens, Henne, etc.? These guys for the most part were brought in to start, so their training camps were loaded with more reps. Moore was our starter. Clausen was to learn from the sidleline for a year. In fact, Colt McCoy is the only player I see from a lower round, and his stats are from how many games?

How many had 2 rookie WRs?

How many had 3 scrubs starting on the OL?

How many took the majority of snaps with the third or fourth string RB starting? This is significant promarily because Goodson, Sutton, and Vaughan combined to miss several blocks that led to sacks or hurries.

How many played for a lame-duck coach and his inept OC?

My respons was to a guy saying that Clausen was managing the offence well for a rookie. In that regard which round the guy was drafted in is irelevant. According to the stats Clausen is not doing a good job at all.

Yes sure there is a ton of variables and some point Clausens way but to think those other guys were walking into to a dream team is a reach. Stafford was starting on the worst team the National Football League have ever seen and so on. Clausen has not been throwing to two rookie WR the whole season and not with three scrubs on the O-line for the whole season. And he have not played only with Goodson, Sutton and Vaughan the entire season and still if you look at the stats and there is no change in performance... AT ALL.

The reason I have not included Henne, Jackson etc. is because they dit not start many games their rookie years. 5 games was the line I used.

But I will correct myself then and say... Statwise Clausen is the worst rookie QB in the last 5 years. And he have showed nothing at all. Then you can say but he is just a 2nd round pick etc but the fact is he has showed nothing and I will not hang my hat on a guy like that when you have a chance at maybe the best QB since Manning.

I have heard people say that it is the D, WR, O-line, Fox and Davidsons fault the he is not playing better... Well maybe the fault is Clausens. A good QB can also make your D, WR, O-line, HC and OC look better.

Clausen will never be a top 15 QB in the NFL. Why settle for less. Can we for once go away for the conservative Fox way and only settle for the best... Luck can be the best. Lets go after it. Its not that I not would give Clausen a shot and I do not say that we should go QB no mather what.. But as lon as we have a shot at Luck.. Sorry Clausen.

[Jhyler12]

Thank You!

:yesnod:

Once the ball is in his hands on any play that isn't a run, our offense completely dies. He doesn't read blitzes, doesn't know who's coming, who is his hot read... He makes the most throwaways I have ever seen from any QB EVER on a game-by-game basis. He has no "escapability" under pressure.

I have no problem with accepting this team sucks, but I can't continue watching this guy. There is NO possible way he is our "best chance to win."

St. Pierre was better.

I really hope they just give Armanti some snaps and let Null play. This guy doesn't belong on an NFL field.

[Jhyler12]

I can't disagree with this comment. However, there were times when he did have time and still seemed a little lost.

I just can not get over how lost he looks on the field, that is whats killing me the most. He looks so confused on most plays, def. when a blitz is coming and he just doesn't know what to do but throw it away or fall down. That's killing me the most!

:yesnod: