Anyone Still Want to Defend Clausen?

[brandon_87]

There are factors that affect Jimmays play... like the bullshit offensive play calling and the FREAKIN O-LINE THAT SUCKS ASS!!!!

really?? what factors into the fact that it is clearly obvious that he rolls out of the pocket looking for the sideline to throw the ball away instead of looking down-field for an open WR?

Yes, the plac calling is horrible, but any QB that plays in the NFL should be able to read a simple blitz and get rid of the ball - not throw it away every time he is pressured. It's like he tries too hard to minimize his mistakes and by doing that is actually hurting the team more, I have never ever seen Smitty look so f**king bummed sitting on the sideline as he did today, that, is Clausen directly killing the morale of the team

[mav1234]

I think the defense had as much to do with that as our shitty offense today, brandon_87.

[brandon_87]

I think the defense had as much to do with that as our shitty offense today, brandon_87.

Our Defense played great

.... til halftime....

then what else can you expect? we went back to exactly how we played in the beginning of the season, we couldn't move the ball at all and the D was left to stay on the field and pay for Clausen's sorry ass passes and throw-aways

[Mr ocho nueve]

Moore is 1-4 as a starter. Clausen is 0-6. I believe that makes Moore > Clausen.

Thats definitely credible. But i just look at how the offense played with the different QB's in there. Today was the first time it seemed like we had NO Chance in hell to come back, meaning the games with Clausen starting we actually had a chance to win lol, Saints and Browns game in particular. Moore has the win and the 5 td's passes but it seems like he throws a bunch of picks(i know clausen does too), but the matt moore fumblitis/ the let me stand in the pocket forever tendency is the kill point for me.

Keep in mind this team sucks ( breaking news haha), so reallly until we get some legitimite players especially at the oline i don't see ANY qb having success with this team.

[mav1234]

Our Defense played great

.... til halftime....

then what else can you expect? we went back to exactly how we played in the beginning of the season, we couldn't move the ball at all and the D was left to stay on the field and pay for Clausen's sorry ass passes and throw-aways

...we were leading 14-3 at halftime. We had them pinned at the 4 or something. They went on a 96 yard drive.

That changed the game. At that point, it was only a matter of time before they took the lead. Clausen helped it along and deserves all the blame in the world for that INT, but our defense blew in the second half today.

[Proudiddy]

#1 - QBing as a whole, I would agree with you, is the worst it has ever been. With that being said, we have had much worse QBs who have been paid MUCH MUCH more. (Carr).

#2 - Why are you insulted that I said that about Peete. Is that you Rodney? Anyway, he was slow as crap when he got here and could barely move.

Also, you're comparing what he did after 12 years in the league to someone in their first, with a lame duck coaching staff.

#3 - Ahh, so you need to be the all-time winningest QB in Franchise history to know who's coming? Until a week ago, David Carr was the winningest QB in Texan history, does that mean he knew who was coming too? Did that make him good at blitz recognition? And a 1.25:1 ratio of TDs to INTs is not so good, and quite possibly, an indicator that he really "didn't know who was coming".

#4 - What exactly qualifies as a "legitimate thrown TD"? Both of them have had 14 turnovers. They're both bad. Moore is probably a little bit better.. Either way, it's not like Moore knew "who was coming" either, as evidenced by his 1:2 TD/INT ratio.

#5 - St. Pierre was nothing more than a last minute signing to try and learn a little bit more about the Baltimore systems and a last ditch effort to have a QB at the helm who knew their defense (Baltimore) more than anyone on the Carolina roster. Teams do this all the time.

Either way, it's not like I'm saying Clausen is a good QB. At the same time, I can't get mad at a kid for trying to do his job though. He didn't necessarily ask to be put in the position he's in. Lame duck coaches who probably don't coach him as effectively as they should, uninspired OL, RB injuries, etc.. People act as though he wants to do what he's done.

But I will say that St. Pierre is awful. Worse than Clausen. If someone were to bet me who would have better stats at the end of 8 years, St. Pierre or Clausen, I'd take Clausen any day.

At the end of the day, I think that the true problem lies in the leadership of this team. Not Clausen. Until you fix that, you could have Peyton Manning QBing this team, and our record wouldn't be much different. It's obvious that the only ones who are inspired on this team are the ones fighting for a job next year. Which, unfortunately, doesn't include Fox.

I'm not gonna go point-by-point, but quickly...

No, I'm not Rodney, but I wish he got more respect than what he does around here. And I was just making the point that despite his fluffiness, the guy was pretty nimble and did a fairly good job moving around the pocket even at that late stage in his career. Clausen is young and can't get out of his own way, let alone opposing defenders. He's slow, he doesn't pre-read the defense, etc. So, not all of that is on the OL.

As far as Jake... Another case of not getting enough respect. Our QBs may have as well been reincarnates of Rodney Dangerfield. I'm not saying those stats translated to "knowing who's coming." What they do suggest is that he knew more often than he didn't. Despite what Jake "haters" think, the guy was a pretty good QB for most of his career, it just crashed in a hurry. He wasn't the greatest ever, but he was a good QB. If he didn't know who was coming, he wouldn't have lasted that long (although really he shouldn't have lasted as long as he did lol).

As far as Moore, if everyone has watched the games this year, I don't care what the stats say team-wise, the offense was better when Moore was in there. He could tell USUALLY where blitzes were coming from before the snap, but still occasionally made bad throws or took a hit from an OL missed assignment. No doubt he had some blunders, but he was gutsy and I trusted him a lot more to lead us to points over the long-term (especially if he would've gotten the run game Clausen's got now).

With Moore, he actually would take chances and made it a point to get Smitty the ball. I just find it amazing that people think Clausen has made progress. That's laughable. He actually looked better in the pre-season opener than any of his regular season games, visually at least. Only things he has improved on is less batted balls and slightly less fumbles.

He still checks down and throws away too much, he's not hitting guys when they are open. AGAIN, the good ones make the easy throws routinely, and he hasn't shown he can do that. He just looks lost and often like he shouldn't even be on an NFL roster. Again, I was hoping our QB of the future was already on this roster, and if it would've been Clausen, that no doubt would've been a good thing -especially in regards to national media.

But, he sucks and I don't understand how anyone can watch him and walkaway feeling optimistic about anything he has to offer.

SN: I consider a legitimate TD a TD thrown in against actual defense, with men in position, requiring the QB to make reads and a decision on where to go with the ball (not the "gimme" the Saints blown coverage allowed for Clausen to Stew).

[chef17]

Thats definitely credible. But i just look at how the offense played with the different QB's in there. Today was the first time it seemed like we had NO Chance in hell to come back, meaning the games with Clausen starting we actually had a chance to win lol, Saints and Browns game in particular. Moore has the win and the 5 td's passes but it seems like he throws a bunch of picks(i know clausen does too), but the matt moore fumblitis/ the let me stand in the pocket forever tendency is the kill point for me.

Keep in mind this team sucks ( breaking news haha), so reallly until we get some legitimite players especially at the oline i don't see ANY qb having success with this team.

Even with the picks Moore still lead the offense down the field and into the redzone. Clausen has had better field position than Moore and still fails to get into the redzone. That by itself makes Moore a better QB to me. I agree about the line but I don't think that excuses the play of Clausen. The line definitely isn't helping Clausen but it gets to the point where the excuses need to stop. Clausen running out the pocket, sometimes into pressure, isn't helping the line either.

[Mr ocho nueve]

Even with the picks Moore still lead the offense down the field and into the redzone. Clausen has had better field position than Moore and still fails to get into the redzone. That by itself makes Moore a better QB to me. I agree about the line but I don't think that excuses the play of Clausen. The line definitely isn't helping Clausen but it gets to the point where the excuses need to stop. Clausen running out the pocket, sometimes into pressure, isn't helping the line either.

I see what your saying man, with the guys we have out on the field its almost impossible to make any qb look anywhere near good. To me just watching the team it seems that its more of a electric feel when clausen is out there (it might just be me idk). Both qb's have taken me to the breaking point, Jimmy running wild and throwing balls away is frustrating to watch, but at the same time at least he has the awareness and smarts to do so. Matt had the turnovers and seemed just to be a turnover machine, even though yea our offense did move somewhat if anything better with him out there.

The key factor for the season in my opinion was Jeff Otah not being able to play. We could have had a decent run block and pass blocking ability if the guy was out there, but oh well only time will tell now.

[RockECU]

I'm not gonna go point-by-point, but quickly...

No, I'm not Rodney, but I wish he got more respect than what he does around here. And I was just making the point that despite his fluffiness, the guy was pretty nimble and did a fairly good job moving around the pocket even at that late stage in his career. Clausen is young and can't get out of his own way, let alone opposing defenders. He's slow, he doesn't pre-read the defense, etc. So, not all of that is on the OL.

As far as Jake... Another case of not getting enough respect. Our QBs may have as well been reincarnates of Rodney Dangerfield. I'm not saying those stats translated to "knowing who's coming." What they do suggest is that he knew more often than he didn't. Despite what Jake "haters" think, the guy was a pretty good QB for most of his career, it just crashed in a hurry. He wasn't the greatest ever, but he was a good QB. If he didn't know who was coming, he wouldn't have lasted that long (although really he shouldn't have lasted as long as he did lol).

As far as Moore, if everyone has watched the games this year, I don't care what the stats say team-wise, the offense was better when Moore was in there. He could tell USUALLY where blitzes were coming from before the snap, but still occasionally made bad throws or took a hit from an OL missed assignment. No doubt he had some blunders, but he was gutsy and I trusted him a lot more to lead us to points over the long-term (especially if he would've gotten the run game Clausen's got now).

With Moore, he actually would take chances and made it a point to get Smitty the ball. I just find it amazing that people think Clausen has made progress. That's laughable. He actually looked better in the pre-season opener than any of his regular season games, visually at least. Only things he has improved on is less batted balls and slightly less fumbles.

He still checks down and throws away too much, he's not hitting guys when they are open. AGAIN, the good ones make the easy throws routinely, and he hasn't shown he can do that. He just looks lost and often like he shouldn't even be on an NFL roster. Again, I was hoping our QB of the future was already on this roster, and if it would've been Clausen, that no doubt would've been a good thing -especially in regards to national media.

But, he sucks and I don't understand how anyone can watch him and walkaway feeling optimistic about anything he has to offer.

SN: I consider a legitimate TD a TD thrown in against actual defense, with men in position, requiring the QB to make reads and a decision on where to go with the ball (not the "gimme" the Saints blown coverage allowed for Clausen to Stew).

All good points. Not much I can argue with there..

[Mr ocho nueve]

I'm not gonna go point-by-point, but quickly...

No, I'm not Rodney, but I wish he got more respect than what he does around here. And I was just making the point that despite his fluffiness, the guy was pretty nimble and did a fairly good job moving around the pocket even at that late stage in his career. Clausen is young and can't get out of his own way, let alone opposing defenders. He's slow, he doesn't pre-read the defense, etc. So, not all of that is on the OL.

As far as Jake... Another case of not getting enough respect. Our QBs may have as well been reincarnates of Rodney Dangerfield. I'm not saying those stats translated to "knowing who's coming." What they do suggest is that he knew more often than he didn't. Despite what Jake "haters" think, the guy was a pretty good QB for most of his career, it just crashed in a hurry. He wasn't the greatest ever, but he was a good QB. If he didn't know who was coming, he wouldn't have lasted that long (although really he shouldn't have lasted as long as he did lol).

As far as Moore, if everyone has watched the games this year, I don't care what the stats say team-wise, the offense was better when Moore was in there. He could tell USUALLY where blitzes were coming from before the snap, but still occasionally made bad throws or took a hit from an OL missed assignment. No doubt he had some blunders, but he was gutsy and I trusted him a lot more to lead us to points over the long-term (especially if he would've gotten the run game Clausen's got now).

With Moore, he actually would take chances and made it a point to get Smitty the ball. I just find it amazing that people think Clausen has made progress. That's laughable. He actually looked better in the pre-season opener than any of his regular season games, visually at least. Only things he has improved on is less batted balls and slightly less fumbles.

He still checks down and throws away too much, he's not hitting guys when they are open. AGAIN, the good ones make the easy throws routinely, and he hasn't shown he can do that. He just looks lost and often like he shouldn't even be on an NFL roster. Again, I was hoping our QB of the future was already on this roster, and if it would've been Clausen, that no doubt would've been a good thing -especially in regards to national media.

But, he sucks and I don't understand how anyone can watch him and walkaway feeling optimistic about anything he has to offer.

SN: I consider a legitimate TD a TD thrown in against actual defense, with men in position, requiring the QB to make reads and a decision on where to go with the ball (not the "gimme" the Saints blown coverage allowed for Clausen to Stew).

Not gonna run down everything in the post but two things i wanna comment on. Moore definitely took the shots downfield but you know with the way Moore passes those deep balls he hangs them up there high in the air and its really a turnover waiting to happen. I like Moore but his arm strength on those deep balls are very questionable and im sure most everyone could agree on that.

Yup clausen did look better in preseason, along with Matt Moore and the rest of the team in whole. But watching Jimmy get the starting nod, then benched again, then thrown back out there I think he is doing a decent job for a rookie. He may check down alot I agree with that definitely but again in my opinion he does a good job of managing the offense for a rookie. Watching week to week he looks like he is looking more and more comfortable during the pre-snap, after the snap the o-line kinda screws over any Qb we got.

[chef17]

Not gonna run down everything in the post but two things i wanna comment on. Moore definitely took the shots downfield but you know with the way Moore passes those deep balls he hangs them up there high in the air and its really a turnover waiting to happen. I like Moore but his arm strength on those deep balls are very questionable and im sure most everyone could agree on that.

Yup clausen did look better in preseason, along with Matt Moore and the rest of the team in whole. But watching Jimmy get the starting nod, then benched again, then thrown back out there I think he is doing a decent job for a rookie. He may check down alot I agree with that definitely but again in my opinion he does a good job of managing the offense for a rookie. Watching week to week he looks like he is looking more and more comfortable during the pre-snap, after the snap the o-line kinda screws over any Qb we got.

Not to be a dick but except when the defense is giving up short throws at the end, Clausen really doesn't lead the team down the field. I wouldn't consider that managing the offense.

[Sandy Claws]

I actually thought he looked to be improving early in the game. Then everything went downhill.

He'll never be a Brady or Manning, few are. He did look like he handled things well early. It appeared to me that, when the STs had the Seahawks pinned deep to start the second half and the D let them off the hook for the long drive TD, it brought the crowd back into it. That 12th man making that much noise disruptewd blocking calls and pretty much threw everything off. The pick 6 just made it that much worse.

[Cavscout]

I don't put all of the blame on Clausen, but Luck is potentailly the best QB to enter the draft since Manning. Yes we have to upgrade a lot of positions, why not start with the most important one?

Seattle has the worst defense in the league...well they did until they played us...and Clausen still looked as if he was lost and playing with no confidence at all.

[Miaoww]

Our Defense played great

.... til halftime....

then what else can you expect? we went back to exactly how we played in the beginning of the season, we couldn't move the ball at all and the D was left to stay on the field and pay for Clausen's sorry ass passes and throw-aways

Bull poo. They gave up a 97 yard drive to start the half. Not to mention the Seahawks were inches from scoring a TD before half time too.

The D, quite frankly, was terrible yesterday.