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Anyone Still Want to Defend Clausen?

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# 1 I've been a Panther fan since day one, and even remembering our first year, we've never had QBing this bad for this long. That includes the year with Randy Fasani seeing action.

#2 I'm almost insulted you would say this about Peete.

He had great feet in the pocket and did well in avoiding pressure. A big part of avoiding pressure is knowing where it's coming from before the snap. Peete usually did. Clausen never does.

Additionally, in Peete's year here as the starter he had 3 different 300+ yard games. Clausen hasn't even sniffed that. In order to throw for 300 yards, you have to avoid pressure and make good decisions. Peete did.

Additionally, Peete was pretty much a stop-gap guy and fairly well-traveled. So, take a look at his rookie year and even he had a better rookie season than Clausen (although it's not that hard to)

His rookie year:

http://www.nfl.com/players/rodneypeete/gamelogs?id=PEE498348&season=1989

Full-time starter for us in 02:

http://www.nfl.com/players/rodneypeete/gamelogs?id=PEE498348&season=2002

No comparison.

#3 All-time winningest QB in franchise history. And even with a full year of sucking last year, he has a career rating of 81. A career completion % of 59 and as of right now 125 TDs to 100 INTs. Yup, that guy never knew who was coming. Smh...

#4 Considering he had our only legitimate thrown TDs this year, I'd re-think that. Played behind the same OL as Clausen as well. Yet, amazingly, he didn't have nearly as many throwaways and probably less sacks.

#5 Yes, they both suck, but St. Pierre sucks less. Ryan Leaf sucks less.

#1 - QBing as a whole, I would agree with you, is the worst it has ever been. With that being said, we have had much worse QBs who have been paid MUCH MUCH more. (Carr).

#2 - Why are you insulted that I said that about Peete. Is that you Rodney? Anyway, he was slow as crap when he got here and could barely move.

Also, you're comparing what he did after 12 years in the league to someone in their first, with a lame duck coaching staff.

#3 - Ahh, so you need to be the all-time winningest QB in Franchise history to know who's coming? Until a week ago, David Carr was the winningest QB in Texan history, does that mean he knew who was coming too? Did that make him good at blitz recognition? And a 1.25:1 ratio of TDs to INTs is not so good, and quite possibly, an indicator that he really "didn't know who was coming".

#4 - What exactly qualifies as a "legitimate thrown TD"? Both of them have had 14 turnovers. They're both bad. Moore is probably a little bit better.. Either way, it's not like Moore knew "who was coming" either, as evidenced by his 1:2 TD/INT ratio.

#5 - St. Pierre was nothing more than a last minute signing to try and learn a little bit more about the Baltimore systems and a last ditch effort to have a QB at the helm who knew their defense (Baltimore) more than anyone on the Carolina roster. Teams do this all the time.

Either way, it's not like I'm saying Clausen is a good QB. At the same time, I can't get mad at a kid for trying to do his job though. He didn't necessarily ask to be put in the position he's in. Lame duck coaches who probably don't coach him as effectively as they should, uninspired OL, RB injuries, etc.. People act as though he wants to do what he's done.

But I will say that St. Pierre is awful. Worse than Clausen. If someone were to bet me who would have better stats at the end of 8 years, St. Pierre or Clausen, I'd take Clausen any day.

At the end of the day, I think that the true problem lies in the leadership of this team. Not Clausen. Until you fix that, you could have Peyton Manning QBing this team, and our record wouldn't be much different. It's obvious that the only ones who are inspired on this team are the ones fighting for a job next year. Which, unfortunately, doesn't include Fox.

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davos Grand Master

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Didn't want to make a new thread for this, so I'll put it in here:

We are now the only team with under 200 total points on the season with 154...we may not make it to 200 on the year. Clausen needs to find a way to throw at least 1 more touchdown pass.

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Clausen > Pike > St. Pierre thats what we got so get used to it... and Clausen > Moore any day of the week.

not sure I agree w/ that but there is not pointing really debating who sucks worse.

as a player RIGHT NOW and pending all are 100% healthy. To win a game tommorrow I would probably rank them Moore, St. Pierre, Clausen, Pike.

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Funny... if Moore was only good when the pressure was off last year, why hasn't Jimmy done better by now, now that he's in the same situation? It's not like we're still in contention or something.. I know he's a rookie compared to a three year bench-warmer, but hey, it's not like he has anything to lose so late in the season and with us being so QB strapped.

Also, this bugs the sh*t out of me: I won't speak for everybody, but I'm not expecting Luck to come in and be the "Savior of the franchise" or any silly nonsense like that. If he's half as good as the experts have him pegged to be, I'll be happy as a pig in sh*t if we draft him. Why? Because finally... Finally!... we'll have a QB that 50% of the fanbase won't hide their eyes every time he drops back to pass. We'll have a guy who offers us stability at the position (again, provided he plays half as well as he's being touted to be), and will progress with the new coaching staff coming in.

Savior? No.. not expecting him to be one. Solid? Would be a nice change of pace from the craptastic display we've seen since Beurlein got cut. If he excels? Omfg.. wouldn't that be something??! A guy other teams actually f*cking fear!

Jimmy just doesn't exactly keep DCs up late at night guys... simple fact there, and I don't see it happening anytime soon either.

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Funny if Moore was only good when the pressure was off last year, why hasn't Jimmy done better by now,... now that he's in the same situation? It's not like we're still in contention or something.. I know he's a rookie compared to a three year bench-warmer, but hey, it's not like he has anything to lose so late in the season and with us being so QB strapped.

Also, this bugs the sh*t out of me: I won't speak for everybody, but I'm not expecting Luck to come in and be the "Savior of the franchise" or any silly nonsense like that. If he's half as good as the experts have him pegged to be, I'll be happy as a pig in sh*t if we draft him. Why? Because finally... Finally!... we'll have a QB that 50% of the fanbase won't hide their eyes every time he drops back to pass. We'll have a guy who offers us stability at the position (again, provided he plays half as well as he's being touted to be), and will progress with the new coaching staff coming in.

Savior? No.. not expecting him to be one. Solid? Would be a nice change of pace from the craptastic display we've seen since Beurlein got cut. If he excels? Omfg.. wouldn't that be something??! A guy other teams actually f*cking fear!

Jimmy just doesn't exactly keep DCs up late at night guys... simple fact there, and I don't see it happening anytime soon either.

I think a look at the 53 man roster and the IR list would give you a answer.

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If anyone thinks Clausen is responsible for our 1-11 record, then you are fooling yourself. The Panthers dominated the 1st half, then Seattle made the proper adjustments to take complete control in the second half. It's the same almost week, close in the in the 1st half and blowed out in the 2nd half.

* Clausen hasn't been spectacular, but he's a rookie and it's true he sometimes fails to recognize blitzes. But to his defense he has rookie wideouts and his OL is pathetic at best.

* Some have credited the OL with the succeess of the rushing game, well I see our RB's NOT following the so-called blocking lanes and cutting it back or just fighting to break tackles.

* Our LB's play have made up for the complete mess we call a DL, other than CJ, the rest of these guys would be on the street. I remember when the Panthers front 4 were considered the backbone of our defense, now they're a liabilty.

* Munnerlyn, Godfrey and Martin seem to always make plays, I can't remember when anyone else in the DB made a play or caught an interception that hit them in the hands.

Bottom line... it doesn't matter who the QB is, everyone of them has gotten the piss beat out of them and Luck would meet the same fate. Both lines should be the focus in the offseason and then CB, not another rookie QB.

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To solely place the blame on Clausen is pretty stupid when people on this board doesn't pay attention to everything happening around him. It was pretty obvious, to me that is, that the offensive line had a lot to do with why Clausen continues to play it safe and throw it away because he isn't getting time in the pocket.

That's not to say that Clausen is a perfect QB, because clearly he isn't but, I"m sorry, I think it is stupid that so many people continue to blame Clause for everything.

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