Trgovac, Gantt divulge a little more

[Chan Fan]

FOx isn't the problem anymore than any boss is the problem when an employee is not performing. Fox only got involved when problems were revealed and he tried to help fix them. If Trgovac didn't like someone telling him what to do, going to a DL position will give him much less autonomy and voice.

I think it is the same thing that many feel people feel after several years in a high pressure job. Sometimes things get old and we all look for a new start. This is his opportunity to sit back have more time for the kids and less pressure. If Green Bay goes to a 3-4 it will be a good learning experience. Down the road he may decide to coordinate again.

You can read into whatever you want. But the bottom line is as long as the defense is good you won't see Fox on your case. If you don't do the job, he will be there front and center. It is his team and his job to see that things go well.

Most level headed, well reasoned post i've seen around here in awhile. I practically registered just to say that

[Snake]

FOx isn't the problem anymore than any boss is the problem when an employee is not performing. Fox only got involved when problems were revealed and he tried to help fix them. If Trgovac didn't like someone telling him what to do, going to a DL position will give him much less autonomy and voice.

I think it is the same thing that many feel people feel after several years in a high pressure job. Sometimes things get old and we all look for a new start. This is his opportunity to sit back have more time for the kids and less pressure. If Green Bay goes to a 3-4 it will be a good learning experience. Down the road he may decide to coordinate again.

You can read into whatever you want. But the bottom line is as long as the defense is good you won't see Fox on your case. If you don't do the job, he will be there front and center. It is his team and his job to see that things go well.

Good post and way to point out Fox has only been helping since the D has been declining. 7 years is along time to do anything in the NFL much less under the same coach. Most DCs have see atleast 2 coaches in that time maybe more.

[SKULL]

Exactly. People are throwing blame around a lot. How they expect Fox not to get involved when the defense isn't playing well, is beyond me.

From a Business standpoint ,Yes Fox should jump in and help correct the problem.

I agree with that the first season

And at the end of season Turg should have been sat down and had a heart to heart with Fox in order to get the problem fixed.

If they did that ,then Fox ASSUMED the problem was fixed,to have to revisit the same problem half way into another season.

Means TURG did not get it or FOX did not explain it .

I would have FIRED TURG the instant I had to go back into the same problem from former season .

By getting involved the 2nd time TROG resents Fox & Fox resents Turg for not getting it done .

[Fox007]

I don't think so. Why would we allow our D coord to walk, if they really wanted to keep him, only to let the coach go right afterward?

Except that we didn't let him walk, he just walked. The Panthers offered him a deal and he just went. There was no 'letting' from the Panthers end.

FOx isn't the problem anymore than any boss is the problem when an employee is not performing. Fox only got involved when problems were revealed and he tried to help fix them. If Trgovac didn't like someone telling him what to do, going to a DL position will give him much less autonomy and voice.

Yes, but at the same time, the BOSS in any situation like you were saying isn't always a good boss now is he?

Believe it or not, you can have a bad boss, just like you can have a bad employee.

I have had a boss that was worse at the job than I was.......

You don't always become this badass awesome flawless boss by being the best at what you do.

There are negligent people at all levels in the workforce/field.

[bleys]

wow... a guy who has leave blames the boss... didnt see that coming

give me a break.. Turd is now the voice of reason concerning Fox now?

people who agree Turdo couldnt design a blitz to get to a geriatrick QB, now think he is the voice of illumination on Fox and Panthers... LOL

get real

Greatest post I've seen... lol

I think Zod and P55 are on point.

/end thread.

[Fox007]

wow... a guy who has leave blames the boss... didnt see that coming

give me a break.. Turd is now the voice of reason concerning Fox now?

people who agree Turdo couldnt design a blitz to get to a geriatrick QB, now think he is the voice of illumination on Fox and Panthers... LOL

get real

Really now?

Funny because the same people that take Jenkins and Buckners word on Peppers, DON'T believe Turd about fox?

Hypocrisy indeed.

I get it though, it is ok to believe someone you like over someone you don't like.

Now I realize Turd didn't really say anything bad about Fox, but the writing is right there on the wall.

For being a Turd, he is more classy than those who would diss a former team mate for publicity.

[bleys]

Really now?

Funny because the same people that take Jenkins and Buckners word on Peppers, DON'T believe Turd about fox?

Hypocrisy indeed.

I get it though, it is ok to believe someone you like over someone you don't like.

Now I realize Turd didn't really say anything bad about Fox, but the writing is right there on the wall.

For being a Turd, he is more classy than those who would diss a former team mate for publicity.

Who are those people?

*sits back and waits for no names to prove hypocrisy*

[Fox007]

Who are those people?

*sits back and waits for no names to prove hypocrisy*

Give me those names of people who said he can't design a blitz, but think he is the voice of reason, since you were so enamored with that post.

What, you just take that post for truth with no names?

[bleys]

Give me those names of people who said he can't design a blitz, but think he is the voice of reason, since you were so enamored with that post.

What, you just take that post for truth with no names?

But of course, with all the ramblings going on, it's the only way to continue. You made the statement, so you must as well?

I just agreed with the guy and am sure with all the people here posting crap and jumping off buildings over all of this that those that claim Trgo can't design a blitz ARE the same ones saying Trgo is the truth and the light.

You're saying they aren't?

[Fox007]

But of course, with all the ramblings going on, it's the only way to continue. You made the statement, so you must as well?

I just agreed with the guy and am sure with all the people here posting crap and jumping off buildings over all of this that those that claim Trgo can't design a blitz ARE the same ones saying Trgo is the truth and the light.

You're saying they aren't?

Yup, I made the same type of nonsensical post on purpose.

But his was TEH BESTEST POST EVAR.

Why is that? Just because you agree with it?

Even if it holds no water?

[Fox007]

Just because Turd can or can't design a blitz doesn't mean can't have real insight on how Fox operates, or how he is.

Just because he stunk up his job here, and no one likes him, means what he says is wrong?

Really, there were people who wanted Fox gone, AND Turd gone.

Others just wanted one or the other, so now that this(what little it is) is out........is it really a surprise people are posting similar poo?

[bleys]

I'll get back to you on this, am finding out the consensus on of the board.

However, after you've been on this forum for some time, you get a feel for how people react to situations. Sure, I don't have names (I may here soon though), but regardless, it's VERY likely that the same people bashing Trgo are now jumping off buildings because he "didn't sign with us". Again, after you've been here a while you'll see.

I responded to you, because you naturally fell under that same criteria. Whether you actually do or not, your comment sounded vaguely similar. =P

but, please.. spare me this..

Yup, I made the same type of nonsensical post on purpose.

no you didn't. lol

Just because Turd can or can't design a blitz doesn't mean can't have real insight on how Fox operates, or how he is.

Just because he stunk up his job here, and no one likes him, means what he says is wrong?

Really, there were people who wanted Fox gone, AND Turd gone.

Others just wanted one or the other, so now that this(what little it is) is out........is it really a surprise people are posting similar sh*t?

And you completely missed the point that guy was making, which I agree with, and many will agree with. There is no logic between people's rational thoughts. So we're going to bash on Trgo becuase he's inept and cannot form defensive schemes, however, he didn't sign with us, so now we are going to say he was great and since he was great, he sheds light on the franchise.

Riiight.

So when you brought up the Buckner thing, that didn't have anything to do with that one issue.. which I have mentioned

(in other words, the blitzing part just falls in line with peoples thoughts that he sucks, but now he doesn't because he didn't resign)

[bleys]

dfs

[Mounty]

I heard several days ago that Fox had taken over control of defensive meetings during the latter part of the season, and thus I presume the strategy also. The defense went down the tubes after that. Was it strategy, lack of execution or a combination of both? Probably the latter. But the buck stops with Fox.

I was thinking yesterday that it must be extremely difficult for owners to evaluate the coaches and team by themselves. Owners should consider hiring independent NFL consultants to evaluate coaching performance of each game and execution or lack thereof by the players. It would give the owner an excellent means of holding the coaching staff accountable on a more objective basis, but it would probably cost a lot of money.