My Last Clausen thread this season

[Highlandfire]

when jimmy clausen went head to head with andrew luck there was not a single person on earth who argued who the best quarterback on the field was. although they lost the game (like they always did), clausen lit up stanford for 5 touchdown passes and 0 picks. i keep repeating this because i keep reading how luck is all of the sudden the savior even though he has played one good team and lost handily.

i am not arguing that luck is not a better prospect. he is on paper for sure. if nothing else he is bigger with better arm strength. accuracy in college was very similar... clausen's stats were better across the board but both were playing very well.

fast forward to today... i agree with most that clausen needs to get more vertical from here on out.

Stop with the college stat bull crap already. If College stats meant crap then Eric Crouch would have been a perinial all pro.

You just said why Luck over Clausen, BIGGER, STRONGER ARM, and easilly as accurate.

Again the FACTS are, Clausen = Media Hype since HS and nothing more. he is NOT going to be a good starting NFL QB period.

[party_animal]

Clausen = Rick Mirer, Luck = Sam Bradford. No team is going to bypass taking the top QB coming out when they have the #1 overall pick unless they are ran by Matt Millen.

does one player make a difference? yes the QB does. Look at St. Louis and how they have improved with Bradford at the helm.

just because you say clausen = mirer and luck = bradford doesn't make it true. that's just conjecture on your part.

and the rams have had a lot of players other than bradford that have stepped up to play as well. it's not just bradford.

[caddieman]

Stop making fun of the ladies man!

[PanthersPhan18]

My non final thoughts....

Only ND homers or the insanely stupid think this kid is going to be anything but an overhyped backup.

He has never been anything but media hype since HS.

OK, I hate ND with a passion, and even I think he should get enough chance before one declare him a bust. Now am I saying if the Panthers win the #1 overall pick, they shouldn't pick Luck? Absolutely not....he should be picked without any hesitation. You don't ignore someone with that kind of potential unless you already have a great qb with the caliber of Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Philip Rivers.

[KatsAzz]

QB Jimmy "check down" Clausen= Jury still out....

[KatsAzz]

I hope i'm proven wrong but Clausen with his bad mechanics,has yet to make me believe he will be more than an average,at best,NFL QB.

[Icege]

Oh that's trendy now to blame those two isn't it? our playbook actually does have routes that go farther than three yards, believe it or not

Too bad the protection tends to fall apart once they pass 3.5 yards.

I'm starting to wonder how many fans watch football, and how many keep their eyes glued to the football :/

For the life of me I cannot comprehend how threads like this are still emerging. Clausen is our QB until the end of the season. No amount of bitching on the internet is going to change that. If he ends up being hot trash, then Luck will get scooped with the #1 pick, it's that simple. If he starts to shimmer and shine, then guess what? The team might not be in a position to draft him.

That is what boggles my mind. People are actually upset at the possibility of Clausen developing and leading this team to a W or two before the end of the year and essentially saving his job. Just a month ago, the consensus was that a DT needed to be taken in the 1st. I'll wait until next month to see what the new hot commodity is.

I'm fully aware of all the excitement around him (a lot of it deservedly so too), but people need to process that hype =/= reality, college =/= pro, and what you see =/= what you get. This in no way, shape, or form is saying that Luck will not live up to expectations. Personally, I have stated that if we get Luck I will be more than excited. However, if Jimmy ends up developing, then I'm fine with whatever direction the team decides to go instead.

tldr; The team doesn't have Luck yet. They're working with what they have, get over it. Hopefully they'll be able to draft him if they continue to lose, but if they win, then it shows we can address other needs.

I really, really hope Luck ends up being lights out. Otherwise, a vast majority of the posters here are going to feel like I did when I said that I thought Jacoby Ford was never going to amount to anything in the NFL (thought he was too fast while too small and had durability issues).

Then again, most people are ignorant and refused to be held accountable, so meh.

[Sandy Claws]

4. Every team the Panthers have faced has scored multiple TDs, haven't they?

Not the first NO game, maybe a couple others if you toss out defensive scores.

[SCP]

1. I would not build a franchise around The Jimmy.

2. If we pass on Luck because of Jimmy and Luck becomes the next Peyton or Rivers......

[SteveSmithTD89]

Any body ever watch Blue Mountain State on Spike TV. He may be acting like Moran off that show.

ahaha love that show lol

[Urrymonster]

Moore didn't have a problem with it...even his rookie year they let him throw a little downfield. Clausen really likes throwing short routes like he did at notre dame in order to hide his average arm strength and awkward throwing motion.

Well this year that is a complete myth.

Moore completed just 2 more passes above 20 yards

Clausen has 18.5% of his throws aimed between 10-19 yards, Moore 18.3%

Clausen has thrown 19.2% of his throws behind the LoS, Moore 19.1%

Face it, Moore and Clausen have played in an almost IDENTICAL way. Sure Clausen has thrown more longer passes in the 4th, but that just means Moore was throwing short when we needed to be more urgent.

Yes Moore had thrown for 5 TDs, he also threw for 10 interceptions.

How anyone can think that the problem is NOT the playcalling is just nuts.

[CRA]

when jimmy clausen went head to head with andrew luck there was not a single person on earth who argued who the best quarterback on the field was. although they lost the game (like they always did), clausen lit up stanford for 5 touchdown passes and 0 picks. i keep repeating this because i keep reading how luck is all of the sudden the savior even though he has played one good team and lost handily.

i am not arguing that luck is not a better prospect. he is on paper for sure. if nothing else he is bigger with better arm strength. accuracy in college was very similar... clausen's stats were better across the board but both were playing very well.

fast forward to today... i agree with most that clausen needs to get more vertical from here on out.

um, Stanford lost by a TD....and that was Luck's first year starting. He completed 70% of his passes. Clausen's highly touted accuracy comes from a stat sheet.....dink and dunk. That doesn't actually make you an accurate passer. ND ran a lot of screens and Tate ran a lot of old school Smitty routes to help paid his passing resume.

[CRA]

Well this year that is a complete myth.

Moore completed just 2 more passes above 20 yards

Clausen has 18.5% of his throws aimed between 10-19 yards, Moore 18.3%

Clausen has thrown 19.2% of his throws behind the LoS, Moore 19.1%

Face it, Moore and Clausen have played in an almost IDENTICAL way. Sure Clausen has thrown more longer passes in the 4th, but that just means Moore was throwing short when we needed to be more urgent.

Yes Moore had thrown for 5 TDs, he also threw for 10 interceptions.

How anyone can think that the problem is NOT the playcalling is just nuts.

well, it goes back to what defines a player. Does Moore's total body of work define him OR does a season in which Fox benched him DURING week 2? Never allowing Moore to really have an oppportunity with the team to work through their overall issues?

Moore and Clausen haven't played almost identical....they only have played identical if you exclude most of Moore's young resume as a QB. Moore has shown a lot Moore than Clausen has in the NFL. If you cherry pick Moore's bad stretch only then does the comparison matchup.

I mean if we forget about talking about who is the future here and just look at what Clausen is doing vs. what young QB like Moore did coming in.....Moore came into the NFL and played MUCH better. The 07 team wasn't stacked w/ talent......and the late 09 team really didn't do anything better than the club the last 3 weeks except get better QB play.

[Urrymonster]

well, it goes back to what defines a player. Does Moore's total body of work define him OR does a season in which Fox benched him DURING week 2? Never allowing Moore to really have an oppportunity with the team to work through their overall issues?

Moore and Clausen haven't played almost identical....they only have played identical if you exclude most of Moore's young resume as a QB. Moore has shown a lot Moore than Clausen has in the NFL. If you cherry pick Moore's bad stretch only then does the comparison matchup.

I mean if we forget about talking about who is the future here and just look at what Clausen is doing vs. what young QB like Moore did coming in.....Moore came into the NFL and played MUCH better. The 07 team wasn't stacked w/ talent......and the late 09 team really didn't do anything better than the club the last 3 weeks except get better QB play.

No, no, no, no, you have mis-interpreted.

I completely agree with you and think Moore was completely mis-managed and I was stunned to see our QB situation enter the Anderson/Quinn fiasco.

I was never sold on him, but think he is a much better QB than this season indicates.

What I was pointing out that this season his passing directions are completely different to what he was doing up till now in his career. Suddenly he is doing a ton more passes into the backfield and generally focusing on the passes between 1-9 yards. Clasuen has been almost identical.

Essentially they have received the same play calls. They have focused their passes in the same places and they have suffered pretty similar faults.

I do not place complete blame on either QB, because Davidson appears to not be learning from our failures and continuing to call the same pass plays time after time.