Rumors about Russ Grimm to be Next PANTHERS coach.

[panthers55]

How is he liked by players, other coaches, etc. How about his knowledge of the offense and the defense. How does he compare to ther guys out there.

Here is an article when the Bills looked at him last January.

http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2010/1/18/1255573/an-examination-of-russ-grimms

Here is one from a Washington blog site when he was being considered for the Washington job in 2009. Citing several sources from various Washington sources familiar with his playing days and coaching stint there.

http://www.hogshaven.com/2009/11/11/1115652/redskins-coach-watch-russ-grimm

The Washington article provides material concerning his coaching abilities and talent evaluation moreso than a rehash of his playing days or how the team did under his tutelage.

[Mr. Scot]

If you believe the stories, he had the Steelers job until the NFL stepped in.

No idea whether it's true or not, but it's possible.

[Sloth]

How is he liked by players, other coaches, etc. How about his knowledge of the offense and the defense. How does he compare to ther guys out there.

Here is an article when the Bills looked at him last January.

http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2010/1/18/1255573/an-examination-of-russ-grimms

Here is one from a Washington blog site when he was being considered for the Washington job in 2009. Citing several sources from various Washington sources familiar with his playing days and coaching stint there.

http://www.hogshaven.com/2009/11/11/1115652/redskins-coach-watch-russ-grimm

The Washington article provides material concerning his coaching abilities and talent evaluation moreso than a rehash of his playing days or how the team did under his tutelage.

Thanks for those. Good reading.

[davos]

You know, Jerry Richardson doesn't have a good eye for coaches. His top candidate for the first coach was Joe Gibbs who turned him down and then Dom Capers ultimately failed (although his leash was ridiculously short). Then he hired George f'ing Seifert. Then his top choice was Steve Spurrier lol. The Panthers lucked out that Snyder offered Spurrier so much money.

Also, I seem to remember Dungy turning the Panthers down and the choice was ultimately John Fox or Marvin Lewis with Richardson picking Fox.

This gave an interesting perspective on things for me

Honestly, JR's history and personality still has me wondering if he's actually willing to take a risk post-Fox. I know we all want him to and also understand signing a coach like Harbaugh can potentially catapult this franchise.

That is why the biggest question mark coming into our coaching search is: Will Richardson look to develop a new vibe with a young fiery coach or is he going to simply look to what fits his formula. A lot of people (really most people) are assuming JR will finally become slightly progressive in finding our next coach...but I just don't know. That's why I think we'll all end up being surprised in the end for better or worse.

Also, if we hire a new coach, then end up having to endure a year without football, what type of coach do you think JR would want under this circumstance which he seems to believe will most likely happen? It will be someone who has a strong reputation with the owners in this league.

[rayzor]

How is he liked by players, other coaches, etc. How about his knowledge of the offense and the defense. How does he compare to ther guys out there.

Here is an article when the Bills looked at him last January.

http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2010/1/18/1255573/an-examination-of-russ-grimms

Here is one from a Washington blog site when he was being considered for the Washington job in 2009. Citing several sources from various Washington sources familiar with his playing days and coaching stint there.

http://www.hogshaven.com/2009/11/11/1115652/redskins-coach-watch-russ-grimm

The Washington article provides material concerning his coaching abilities and talent evaluation moreso than a rehash of his playing days or how the team did under his tutelage.

those were kind of int4eresting reads, but didn't doa whole lot to win me over (not that i think you were trying to accomplish that). some people might look at the disciplinarian aspect of grimm as well as the gruff exterior and think that makes him ideal...but don't think that is enough. i saw nothing that leads me to believe that he is a good talent evaluator or that he would have a mind/philosophy that can keep up with the way the game is changing. you would HAVE to have genius coordinators that were given full reign over their side of the ball before i would feel comfortable with grimm in there as HC, and i just don't see him as being someone that would allow that to happen. he's a throwback. it's good for nostalgia or those looking for the old breed of smashmouth football, but not much more than that. it won't win you games.

[panthers55]

those were kind of int4eresting reads, but didn't doa whole lot to win me over (not that i think you were trying to accomplish that). some people might look at the disciplinarian aspect of grimm as well as the gruff exterior and think that makes him ideal...but don't think that is enough. i saw nothing that leads me to believe that he is a good talent evaluator or that he would have a mind/philosophy that can keep up with the way the game is changing. you would HAVE to have genius coordinators that were given full reign over their side of the ball before i would feel comfortable with grimm in there as HC, and i just don't see him as being someone that would allow that to happen. he's a throwback. it's good for nostalgia or those looking for the old breed of smashmouth football, but not much more than that. it won't win you games.

I would agree that there were some good reviews and others that suggest he would not necessary come right in and shine without making some mistakes and having to learn on the job. Given his skill sets and tendency to want to run, I think he would be a good coach for a guy like Cam Newton. But he has the steeler connection and might put in the tough nosed type of football that some have said was lacking with Fox. I know that he had Warner in Arizona who is more of a Luck type of QB than Newton but really this could be our chance to get our own Ben Roethlisberger or Josh Freeman, both franchise quarterbacks and good picks.

I want a defensive guy myself so my vote doesn't count.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

Maybe it's just me being selfish but I'm tired of being numb about Panthers football. I'd like a guy I can get excited about and Grimm is about the furthest thing possible from exciting.

[frash.exe]

Grimm is such a bland conservative pick we might as well just retain Fox and give him androgen therapy, because that's what you're going to get with Russ, a similar system, only more aggressive.

add in the fact that your teams that use the running game as an anchor (Titans, Jaguars, us, the bears before Cutler, the Ravens before Flacco, the Falcons before Ryan), with average passing games are very inconsistent year to year, and this is just one candidate I can't get on board with. They're never truly good teams, and that's why these teams have been moving away from this philosophy en masse.

[frash.exe]

Yep. He may be good, but what we want is better. If we were to hire Grimm it could possibly be the same old mediocre crap this team has been since day one. Four good seasons out of sixteen. Yeah...I have an issue with that.

Yea, but get ready for the flock of Grimm apostles signing up so they can hype up his eligibility, no matter how likely or unlikely with annoying hack "sizzle" phrases such as "OLD SCHOOL" and "SMASH MOUTH FOOOTBUUURRRRR"

just thinking about it makes me want to cancel my account

[Davidson Deac II]

Grimm is no more or less exciting than Harbaugh or any of the other candidates that have been mentioned.

Now if they hired Belichek, and he announced he was bringing Brady with him, that would be exciting.

[Chimera]

grimm would be more of the same that we've had with fox. it would be a bad choice mainly because it would be a "safe" choice. choosing him would show this organization either had no balls or were oblivious to the game changing.

I disagree. Grimm is an offense guy. Fox' offenses are so simple, it reminds me of what I did way back in middle school.

[Grammer]

I remember ALL of the speculation was about Spurrier back in 2001. The Dungy/Lewis stuff was there also, but it was nearly all centered around Spurrier. My memory is foggy, so it could have been TCO driving the Spurrier stuff more than the organization itself, but there were a slew of articles discussing the possibility of Spurrier coaching the Panthers. I seem to recall that he was scheduled to meet with Richardson after meeting with Snyder, but Snyder gave him a massive contract and Spurrier never even met with Richardson.

You know, Jerry Richardson doesn't have a good eye for coaches. His top candidate for the first coach was Joe Gibbs who turned him down and then Dom Capers ultimately failed (although his leash was ridiculously short). Then he hired George f'ing Seifert. Then his top choice was Steve Spurrier lol. The Panthers lucked out that Snyder offered Spurrier so much money.

Also, I seem to remember Dungy turning the Panthers down and the choice was ultimately John Fox or Marvin Lewis with Richardson picking Fox.

George F'n Seifert won two super bowls with the 49ers and had the all time winning percentage as a head coach (until he coached the panthers that is). if it werent for the panthers he probably would be going to the HOF

[Mr. Scot]

Grimm is no more or less exciting than Harbaugh or any of the other candidates that have been mentioned.

Now if they hired Belichek, and he announced he was bringing Brady with him, that would be exciting.

Disagree. From what I've seen of Harbaugh's personality, I think the first time he got on television you'd have people lining up for tickets.

[Davidson Deac II]

Disagree. From what I've seen of Harbaugh's personality, I think the first time he got on television you'd have people lining up for tickets.

You are talking about selling tickets, I am talking about making the playoffs and getting to the Superbowl. Selling more tickets excites Richardson, not me so much. A boring coach that wins is imo far more exciting than a exciting coach that loses (and will eventually sell more tickets).

Regarding personality, I never have understood that. Why would anyone other than the players, give a crap about the coaches personality? Before the Panthers were created, I was a Redskins fan, and I didn't even realize that Joe Gibbs had a personality. Nor did I care. IMO, Belichek comes off as an ass, but if he were our coach, I wouldn't care. That being said, I guess there are some who do care about that sort of thing. So perhaps personality will matter up until about the 6th game, but after that, personality is irrelevant. Wins are what matter.

And fwiw, I doubt what we see on TV is always their real personality. Its more of a public persona than anything. I doubt its what we see in the lockeroom. Well, maybe in a few cases it is, but for most of them, they are probably a totally different person in public.