Why we should NOT draft Andrew Luck

[rayzor]

Why does everyone thing Luck is going to be so great. He has looked good in college but so did Jimmy Calusen. His last year at ND he had 28 TD's and 4 int. This year Luck has 28 TD and 7 int. And they both ran a pro style offense. This team does not need another rookie quarterback to start next season. I am not saying Jimmy is the guy, far from it. But if this team wants to get better and not struggle and hope to get to .500 for the next 2 or 3 years they need a QB that has started and had some success in the NFL. Not another rookie to throw to rookie recievers (or 2nd year recievers next year). We will be staring down the 1st pick in next years draft at this time if we do that.

lol who are they going to get? you don't find starting caliber QBs in FA except once in a blue moon. the FA market for QBs is crap this year. trade for one? you realize how much more than a first round pick it would take to get one that would be worth starting?

if you're going to get one, you need to be doing it in the draft. when a guy like luck comes around and you have a shot at him, you need to take it. you watch him play and read what the consensus is on him by people in the industry and you will understand.

[Rags]

Blaming all of Clausen's lack of production on Davidson is really moronic. Moore and Delhomme have had some success, but Jimmy just has had squat going for him right now, 1TD, 6Ints speaks volumes about him.

There was a reason Bradford was chosen over Clausen, and why so many teams passed over him, and it's probably more than "character issues".

And while the O-line has been poo, Moore has had some success with this O-line, and Matthew Stafford and Sam Bradford have crummy o-lines too.

Supporting cast argument? Who the hell is Bradford, Rivers and Sanchez's cast last year?

Not saying Luck is definitely going to be our guy for 15 years, but Clasen sure enough hasn't proven his case that he is.

Also that "Drive" down the field was a horrid pass to Goodson, who turned it into something, and a okay pass to LaFell.

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willing to bet OP would start a thread every week to bench clausen if we draft Pryor

[SuperMan]

So why even draft Jimmy, or Pike for that matter? Was it yet another organizational mistake?

CLEARLY it was.

[The Saltman]

it doesnt matter if we should, if we have the #1 pick we will draft Andrew luck if he comes out. That is all. End of topic.

[SuperMan]

Why does everyone thing Luck is going to be so great. He has looked good in college but so did Jimmy Calusen. His last year at ND he had 28 TD's and 4 int. This year Luck has 28 TD and 7 int. And they both ran a pro style offense. This team does not need another rookie quarterback to start next season. I am not saying Jimmy is the guy, far from it. But if this team wants to get better and not struggle and hope to get to .500 for the next 2 or 3 years they need a QB that has started and had some success in the NFL. Not another rookie to throw to rookie recievers (or 2nd year recievers next year). We will be staring down the 1st pick in next years draft at this time if we do that.

Its painfully obvious that you have not seen either play in college, Clausen faced one db that got drafted in college and threw to two high round draft pick receivers, This is what sets Luck apart he is the prototype nfl qb from a physical standpoint, his intelligence football IQ and intangibles are off the charts, if he works hard i have no doubts that he is the next Manning, that ounce in a decade Qb that changes a franchise.

[bababoey]

Its painfully obvious that you have not seen either play in college, Clausen faced one db that got drafted in college and threw to two high round draft pick receivers, This is what sets Luck apart he is the prototype nfl qb from a physical standpoint, his intelligence football IQ and intangibles are off the charts, if he works hard i have no doubts that he is the next Manning, that ounce in a decade Qb that changes a franchise.

Hate to tell you I saw Jimmy play about 8 or 10 times(how can you not with the Notre Dame Broadcasting Cannel NBC) and I have seem Luck play about 3 or 4. Jimmy completed alot of screens and short dump offs that inflated his comp%. Luck does that some but not nearly as much as Jimmy did. From What I have seen Luck is clearly a better quarterback than anyone that came out last year or this year.

I have seen Mallack sp? in person 2 times, Cam Newton once, The Golden Calf of Bristol once, and Stafford once. Of thoes clearly the best is Newton and it is not even close. But i would not draft him either. I am not saying a young QB can't be successful, Ryan proved that, but you better have recievers that can help him out and a OC that knows how to design a game plan to help him and make things easy for him. Does this team have either of thoes? No. Will they next year? I don't know, do you?

After the CBA gets finished they will be a few teams that let go of a QB that can still play. Go after a guy like that. I don't know who it will be but he will be better for this team than Luck will right now. It you want to draft Luck, fine go ahead and do it and you can cut Jimmy to because Luck will be a much better QB than he is in the future. Just get someone with some experience to start next year. It will help Luck and the Panthers more than drafting Luck and starting him in game 1 and then watching this team go 3-13 and the first pick in 2012. Then people will start talking about the Pathers in the same breath and the Lions and the Bills.

This team is so young in the passing game all around, recievers, QB, everywhere. Get some experience in there to help the young guys out. That is all I am trying to say.

[SuperMan]

Hate to tell you I saw Jimmy play about 8 or 10 times(how can you not with the Notre Dame Broadcasting Cannel NBC) and I have seem Luck play about 3 or 4. Jimmy completed alot of screens and short dump offs that inflated his comp%. Luck does that some but not nearly as much as Jimmy did. From What I have seen Luck is clearly a better quarterback than anyone that came out last year or this year.

I have seen Mallack sp? in person 2 times, Cam Newton once, The Golden Calf of Bristol once, and Stafford once. Of thoes clearly the best is Newton and it is not even close. But i would not draft him either. I am not saying a young QB can't be successful, Ryan proved that, but you better have recievers that can help him out and a OC that knows how to design a game plan to help him and make things easy for him. Does this team have either of thoes? No. Will they next year? I don't know, do you?

After the CBA gets finished they will be a few teams that let go of a QB that can still play. Go after a guy like that. I don't know who it will be but he will be better for this team than Luck will right now. It you want to draft Luck, fine go ahead and do it and you can cut Jimmy to because Luck will be a much better QB than he is in the future. Just get someone with some experience to start next year. It will help Luck and the Panthers more than drafting Luck and starting him in game 1 and then watching this team go 3-13 and the first pick in 2012. Then people will start talking about the Pathers in the same breath and the Lions and the Bills.

This team is so young in the passing game all around, recievers, QB, everywhere. Get some experience in there to help the young guys out. That is all I am trying to say.

I agree with most of what you say, however if we have a better offensive scheme in 2011 it will do us wonders, (its been stated several times this year that we don't even have Line adjustments for blitz pickup, we don't run any pick routes ect.)

By picking luck we will set our selves up for future success, unless we spend money in FA i see next year as a minor improvement while competing in 2012.

[Ohio]

it happens. the organization makes mistakes....but drafting him wouldn't necessarily be called a mistake. they picked a guy they thought would be good and then another guy comes along the next year who would be better. they would just be simply taking advantege of an opportunity that fell into their lap. nothing wrong with that.

it was only a 2nd round pick that they gave up for clausen and only on the hook for $2.5mil. not really something that should keep you from drafting a much better prospect the next year, esp. when he has given no reason for you not to draft the top guy the following year.

clausen was a low risk, high reward pick for a QB. of the options that were available it looked like the best one. had they known that someone like luck would be available to them the next year, they probably wouldn't have drafted him at all. they didn't know luck was going to fall into their lap. none of that is good enough reason to pass up on him.

when you have access to the best QB prospect to come out in years and don't have much on the roster that would be ahead of him, you take him. clausen, pike, moore, or half of the QBs in the league aren't really worth passing up on luck for.

panthers are fortunate that they don't have much invested in clausen. the biggest mistake they could make would be passing up on luck when they don't really have an answer at QB right now.

Why cant you admit it would be a mistake if you dont play a guy after 1 year? And to say "it was ONLY a 2nd rounder" as if 2nd rounders dont mean much is laughable. We could have drafted Javier Areanas, Terrence Cody, Colt McCoy, or Jordan Shipely! It was a huge mistake if we say well Jimmy isn't our guy now, screw the 2nd round pick from 2010. 2nd round picks are EXPECTED TO PLAY. But you are right about the money value, but dont brush off a 2nd round pick like it's nothing. We are losing two 2nd round picks if we dont play Jimmy next year, how do you like that?

Blaming all of Clausen's lack of production on Davidson is really moronic. Moore and Delhomme have had some success, but Jimmy just has had squat going for him right now, 1TD, 6Ints speaks volumes about him.

There was a reason Bradford was chosen over Clausen, and why so many teams passed over him, and it's probably more than "character issues".

And while the O-line has been poo, Moore has had some success with this O-line, and Matthew Stafford and Sam Bradford have crummy o-lines too.

Supporting cast argument? Who the hell is Bradford, Rivers and Sanchez's cast last year?

Not saying Luck is definitely going to be our guy for 15 years, but Clasen sure enough hasn't proven his case that he is.

Also that "Drive" down the field was a horrid pass to Goodson, who turned it into something, and a okay pass to LaFell.

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willing to bet OP would start a thread every week to bench clausen if we draft Pryor

Look at Jakes numbers and Matt Moores numbers and they will tell you that Davidson is a joke. Every team Davidson has been on his QB's have thrown a huge amount of interceptions, coincidence?

And Rivers, Bradford, and Sanchez has MAJOR Talent AROUND THEM. Look at their offensive lines, they're pretty darn good. Can you say the same for ours?

[rayzor]

Why cant you admit it would be a mistake if you dont play a guy after 1 year? And to say "it was ONLY a 2nd rounder" as if 2nd rounders dont mean much is laughable. We could have drafted Javier Areanas, Terrence Cody, Colt McCoy, or Jordan Shipely! It was a huge mistake if we say well Jimmy isn't our guy now, screw the 2nd round pick from 2010. 2nd round picks are EXPECTED TO PLAY. But you are right about the money value, but dont brush off a 2nd round pick like it's nothing. We are losing two 2nd round picks if we dont play Jimmy next year, how do you like that?

2 reasons for passing over a 2nd rounder that you drafted the year previous.

1) he wasn't as good as you initially thought.

2) you get a better option that falls into your lap

in the first scenario it was a mistake...but those happen. pretty frequently, actually...with every team.

in the second scenario it isn't necessarily a mistake. it just means you had an unexpected present come to you. you drafted a player that could be good one year who was considered to be a value where you got him even though many teams passed over him for whatever reason. then the next year you find you have access to a player with a higher ceiling who could be great or even elite that you had no idea you were going to be able to acquire. that doesn't make the player taken the previous year a bust or a wasted pick necessarily. you're just taking advantage of opportunities as they come. what would make it a wasted pick is what you do with it. thats why i don't like the idea of keeping him around if we draft luck.

more than likely, if you draft someone #1 overall, you aren't going to be sitting him on the bench unless you have someone a lot better in front of him (which is rare for any position). if we draft luck, it's safe to say that he will be starting next year. that would mean clausen wouldn't see the field much at all. his value would not be higher than it is after this season. that is why you trade him (packaged with a later round pick) to move back into the 2nd round. that wouldn't make the 2nd round from last year a waste.

what would be a waste and a mistake is to pass up on a guy like luck because you drafted a guy like clausen the year before. sure, you could get someone witha lot of talent, but would he have the impact that luck would have?

now, am i calling the pick of clausen last year a mistake? from what i have seen...maybe. what i do believe is that he was worth the risk. had he panned out or turned into a reliable option then we probably wouldn't be in this situation. we would have won a couple more games.

was this year enough to be able to base a decison long term about him? i don't know, but what i do know is that this year we haven't seen enough from him to warrant passing up on what very well could be the next great QB.

[SuperMan]

Why cant you admit it would be a mistake if you dont play a guy after 1 year? And to say "it was ONLY a 2nd rounder" as if 2nd rounders dont mean much is laughable. We could have drafted Javier Areanas, Terrence Cody, Colt McCoy, or Jordan Shipely! It was a huge mistake if we say well Jimmy isn't our guy now, screw the 2nd round pick from 2010. 2nd round picks are EXPECTED TO PLAY. But you are right about the money value, but dont brush off a 2nd round pick like it's nothing. We are losing two 2nd round picks if we dont play Jimmy next year, how do you like that?

Look at Jakes numbers and Matt Moores numbers and they will tell you that Davidson is a joke. Every team Davidson has been on his QB's have thrown a huge amount of interceptions, coincidence?

And Rivers, Bradford, and Sanchez has MAJOR Talent AROUND THEM. Look at their offensive lines, they're pretty darn good. Can you say the same for ours?

Ohio i do agree with you that davidson is awful, and Clausen may eventually develop into a serviceable Qb. but we as fans want more than that wouldn't it be great to have a true superstar Qb? And know we are still in a game no matter how much we are down because we have "The Guy" by picking Luck we could set up our franchise for the next decade and a half, he is going to be one of the greats.

[Rags]

Look at Jakes numbers and Matt Moores numbers and they will tell you that Davidson is a joke. Every team Davidson has been on his QB's have thrown a huge amount of interceptions, coincidence?

Yeah, and at least they could drive a team down the field somewhat and score.

[Ohio]

Yeah, and at least they could drive a team down the field somewhat and score.

That was with J-Stew and Dwill, we dont have Dwill and J-Stew has been out most of the year. Having your best 2 rbs makes things alot harder on a rookie QB.

And Matt Moore looked atrocious at the beginning of the year.

[mav1234]

moore didn't have D-Will in all of his games, he did fine with J-Stew.

We've had a running game the last couple weeks, at least in the first half, so the whole "we have no running game to help him" is moot imo. Granted, the Seahawks clamped down on it in the 2nd half, but they also harassed Clausen and he couldn't stand tall.

I hope he can this coming week, cause the Falcons aren't about to go easy on him.

[Jaxel]

Just to change conversation...

Matt Stafford was a dang good QB when he came out, is the best QB from his draft class, unfortunately just hampered by injury. Cam right now is the "in", but he's a bit over-rated in my opinion.