Who is the core?

[NJPanthers12]

You cant set a core group of players until after the new HC evaluates them. Hes gonna want his own players. The Core of this team, may not be on the roster yet.

I 100% agree with this but all I am is wondering what players the fans, the people who watch every single game a year, believe are good enough to be the future of this team.

[Dpantherman]

Leading this team in sacks holds the same weight as leading this team in TD receptions. I personally would not list CJ as a core player, but that is my opinion. If we had a better option at that position, I bet he would go back to a situational player like he was before. Just my two cents.

what???

[Dpantherman]

I can see him on our team for a long while.

Forgot about Khalil, but was hesitant to put Gamble in there...maybe Wharton but I dunno (he sometimes looks gfreat, sometimes meh)

I'm hoping Martin, Munnerlyn, Anderson, and Gettis can all emerge to become long term solid players here too. They could be real good assets down the road.

the only reason i put Gamble is because he signed a 6 year deal last year (or 2008, i forget when.)

[WCABBall]

Offensively the core is our two young receivers (lafell and gettis), d willy and goodsen, kalil, otah, gross, and Wharton. Defensively we have to keep beason long term and I wanna pair him with Anderson and conner as a depth guy. CJ and hardy are keys to the line and I love captain as a nickel and Martin at safety.

Build around this core and get a qb and we can build something quick

[Mr. Scot]

Who is the core?

He's one of those moronic nimrods from "Jersey Shore", isn't he? :sosp:

(wrong guy?) :confused:

[davos]

haha @ Scot's spot

I dont agree with that I believe that Charles Johnson has a lot more potential than the Principal. I loved Al Wallace rotating with Ruck and Pep but he was not as good as Johnson. I honestly think that Johnson can be as good as Rucker IF we cant get some DTs and if Hardy can create pressure from the other side.

I was using Wallace as an example of someone who I felt CJ at the very least can contribute similarly to. But of course he has the potential to do a lot more. all positive

[NJPanthers12]

He's one of those moronic nimrods from "Jersey Shore", isn't he? :sosp:

(wrong guy?) :confused:

probably the most respected and best writer on these boards in my opinion, and I am actually looking forward to what you had to say on this topic, but rather another New Jersey comment. When I first came on these boards all my topics and threads were serious and about the Panthers, but people constantly would write stuff like this so I started to be ridiculous and annoy people, but I havent done that recently was just trying to start a good topic. Oh well good input mr. scott here is some pie for your quick witted and funny comment. i guess.

[brandon_87]

I say:

Williams

Beason

Kalil

Anderson

Davis

Johnson

Are all for sure players we need to keep at all costs, other players with short contracts like gettis, stewart, munnerlyn, martin, and hardy should all be made long term deals as well by the end of next year. And as bad as he has played this year, I still think Moore is valuable to this team as a backup

[frash.exe]

He's one of those moronic nimrods from "Jersey Shore", isn't he? :sosp:

(wrong guy?) :confused:

When Snooki comes up to the door of a top nightclub: "Here's your $10,000 check for your appearance, Snooki"

When Mr. Scot comes up to the door of a top nightclub: "Sir, get rid of those sweatpants and come back with a pair of jeans, and it's $40 to get in"

[Mr. Scot]

When Snooki comes up to the door of a top nightclub: "Here's your $10,000 check for your appearance, Snooki"

When Mr. Scot comes up to the door of a top nightclub: "Sir, get rid of those sweatpants and come back with a pair of jeans, and it's $40 to get in"

That only happened once :sosp:

(actually, I have no interest in nightclubs; and while I make as many New Jersey jokes as the next guy, this wasn't meant as one))

As far as the topic, I'm a "build from the foundations" guy (OL/DL) but I don't see those units as set yet.

[Urrymonster]

Leading this team in sacks holds the same weight as leading this team in TD receptions. I personally would not list CJ as a core player, but that is my opinion. If we had a better option at that position, I bet he would go back to a situational player like he was before. Just my two cents.

Are you serious?!

Charles Johnson in 10 starts (pre-Browns game)

*578 snaps (273 against run plays, 288 against pass plays, 17 plays in coverage)

*33 Tackles - 2nd amongst 4-3 DE's in NFL

*5 sacks - Tied 18th amongst 4-3 DE's in NFL

*3 QB Hits - Tied 36th amongst 4-3 DE's in NFL

*33 QB Pressures - 6th amongst 4-3 DE's in NFL

*32 Defensive Stops - 2nd amongst 4-3 DE's in NFL

*1 Batted Pass - Tied 14th amongst 4-3 DE's in NFL

His cumulative pass rush amounts to generating pressure once every 7 pass plays, which is 8th in the NFL for 4-3 DE's (14.2% of his pass rushes results in pressure).

What this is essentially saying is that he is playing in the top 10 of 4-3 De's when pass rushing AND in the top 10 when playing the run. Combined he is having one of the most complete seasons for a 4-3 De in the NFL.

The sad thing is he is constantly beating his blocker, but due to lack of pressure across the rest of the line, when he forces the QB to move there is no one taking advantage of this. If we can get any form of consistent pressure from the RE spot or the DT position, then Johnson's pressure will either result in him completing more sacks as the QB has no where to move, or someone else taking advantage of his good play.

Note - Pressures constitute forcing the QB to move in the pocket, however this does not count when the QB simply 'steps up' into the pocket

[jtm]

what???

Meaning the number is only 5, so not much to brag about. That was my point.

[Urrymonster]

Meaning the number is only 5, so not much to brag about. That was my point.

What about the other things he has to brag about, such as his tackles, pressures and defensive stops?

[Dpantherman]

Meaning the number is only 5, so not much to brag about. That was my point.

and? look around him. situational pass rushers? are sacks the only measure of a DE? do you realize how foolish you sound?