Why is Jimmy not throwing more touchdowns?

[TheRealDeal]

cant throw tds when we run it on 3rd and 15

Or when the defense accounts for all 11 guys.

[brandon_87]

I voted the first selection, but the second works as well as well

[Anybodyhome]

The 30-yard heave to LaFell that only made it 28 yards when LaFell went to the ground to make the catch should tell you everything you need to know about Clausen "going deep."

NFL QBs routinely put the ball up 45-60 yards in the air when they're going long. Clausen has problems covering 30.

[Davidson Deac II]

Wouldn't you be scared too. After the way we treated Jake when he threw a few INT's I would be scared to throw it downfield too. He is in a no win situation here. Throw it downfield for an interception and get crucified by the fans or dump off for short gains and still get crucified by the same fans.

He may very well be a serviceable QB or a future HOF. The truth is we don't know yet. However if we have the 1st pick next year and Luck is chosen then we have a wonderful QB competition to watch.

Jake did not throw a few interceptions. He was 4th in interceptions, despite playing for a team than ran more than it passed and despite only playing in 11 games. His interception to completion ratio was among the worst in the league among starters last year. And he is doing the same this year, with 6 int's in two starts. After the injury, Jake has gotten progressively worse.

Clausen played better than Jake yesterday imo.

[CRA]

Jake did not throw a few interceptions. He was 4th in interceptions, despite playing for a team than ran more than it passed and despite only playing in 11 games. His interception to completion ratio was among the worst in the league among starters last year. And he is doing the same this year, with 6 int's in two starts. After the injury, Jake has gotten progressively worse.

Clausen played better than Jake yesterday imo.

Jake's first half was signifcantly better than either half Jimmy put together.

Jake's second half was worse than either of Jimmy's.

Overall, Jake's team won. Jake was better. Jake really kept the offense balanced early and that allowed Hillis to feast early.

[panthers55]

Jake did not throw a few interceptions. He was 4th in interceptions, despite playing for a team than ran more than it passed and despite only playing in 11 games. His interception to completion ratio was among the worst in the league among starters last year. And he is doing the same this year, with 6 int's in two starts. After the injury, Jake has gotten progressively worse.

Clausen played better than Jake yesterday imo.

Last year Jake threw 8 TDs and 18 Ints in 11 games. That computes to a TD/Int ratio of .444. Right now Clausen has 1 TD and 6 Ints for a ratio of .2 or twice as worse as Delhomme was last year.

Jake is over the hill and still better than Clausen. Just shows how bad Clausen is at this point. Yesterday though Jake was better and won it in the 4th as usual. By any stat other than 2 versus 1 Int, Jake has better numbers and won it in the 4th. What game were you watching??

[chef17]

He doesn't get the ball to Smith. Get Smith the ball enough times in a game and he will break one for a TD.

[lymelizzard]

So True, its as if hes afraid to throw down field.

[coralreefer_1]

Hard to throw the ball down field when the o-line cant hold the defense long enough for the QB to even get his feet set after a 3 step drop (out of shotgun!!!!). Folks can blame Clausen all they want, and the folks licking Luck's balls can wish and hope all they want...but when the O-line cant hold for even 3-4 seconds and keep a qb from getting pressured/sacked/chased...how the hell can you have time for a WR to get down field for a long play?

I was sick of hearing Holt say that (take a shot down field)...as if the o-line was giving Clausen or anyone else enough time for a play down field to develop but Clausen was just electing to check-down. For gods sakes if the o-line cant give the guy even a few seconds from shotgun and dropping back 3-5 steps before someone is in his face..no matter what QB you bring in it wont mean squat~

Even when Clausen had a bit of time..you can see his nervousness with the shaky O-line. Guy doesn't trust the O-line to give him time, and based on what he has been playing with this season..i don't blame him at all.

[twylyght]

Last year Jake threw 8 TDs and 18 Ints in 11 games. That computes to a TD/Int ratio of .444. Right now Clausen has 1 TD and 6 Ints for a ratio of .2 or twice as worse as Delhomme was last year.

Jake is over the hill and still better than Clausen. Just shows how bad Clausen is at this point. Yesterday though Jake was better and won it in the 4th as usual. By any stat other than 2 versus 1 Int, Jake has better numbers and won it in the 4th. What game were you watching??

Clausen was pressured 7 times. Jake was pressured twice.

That in mind, take a quick look at the box score:

C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT RATING

J. Clausen 16/28 195 7.0 0 1 63.8

J. Delhomme 24/35 245 7.0 0 2 64.6

What game were you watching?

The common denominator between last year and this year is Matt Moore. Behind the same line as Jake, Moore lit it up. Behind the line this year, he struggled. Logic would dictate that Jake would have even MORE trouble this year than last year.

Now if you are intent to see the stat argument to the bitter end, feel free to go there. Otherwise, try keeping the conversation civil before throwing around half-jabs with incomplete truths.

[panthers55]

Clausen was pressured 7 times. Jake was pressured twice.

That in mind, take a quick look at the box score:

C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT RATING

J. Clausen 16/28 195 7.0 0 1 63.8

J. Delhomme 24/35 245 7.0 0 2 64.6

What game were you watching?

The common denominator between last year and this year is Matt Moore. Behind the same line as Jake, Moore lit it up. Behind the line this year, he struggled. Logic would dictate that Jake would have even MORE trouble this year than last year.

Now if you are intent to see the stat argument to the bitter end, feel free to go there. Otherwise, try keeping the conversation civil before throwing around half-jabs with incomplete truths.

NO one can argue that the O line isn't good but it is made worse by Jimmy's play. The reason Jake wasn't pressured as much is that we didn't blitz often and when we did he burned us.

Clausen on the other hand presents no reason not to blitz and pressure him. He doesn't look downfield to throw the ball, doesn't read the defensive pressure or change plays, and throws checkdowns at the first sign of pressure. He is a defense's delight. You stack the box keep the safeties in the box and blitz regularly. If you run it gets picked up by the gap blitzers and if he throws you sack him.

What you and other apologists don't seem to understand is that poor quarterbacking is a huge reason the line is not performing well. In fact the point that the running game is returning and the passing game is not is a direct testament to Clausen's inability to lead the passing attack. Without a passing attack we can't run the ball as well as you have 8 and 9 man boxes which makes us one dimensional and easy prey for the other team. The run game has gotten better but frankly won't be good until Clausen throws the ball down the field. Holt knows it, everyone who has commented on our games knows it and most of us here know it.

Jake and the Browns killed us in the first half because the passing game which set up the running game for Hillis and vice versa. Goodson didn't have the benefit of a decent passing attack and we suffered which is why we scored 13 points by the offense with 10 more set up by the defense.

NOt only did the stats show jake was better (68% to 57%) but anyone with any football acumen could see that their offense was much better than ours. And when the game was on the line jake moved the ball right down the field and we needed last minute heroics from laFell on a wounded duck to even get close enough for a 40 yard field goal due to Clausen's int regardless of who was at fault. Unless we want to dissect Jake's picks and blame their receivers as well.

And my conversations are always civil until someone takes the first shot. Reference this post to you as exibit A.

[panthers55]

Hard to throw the ball down field when the o-line cant hold the defense long enough for the QB to even get his feet set after a 3 step drop (out of shotgun!!!!). Folks can blame Clausen all they want, and the folks licking Luck's balls can wish and hope all they want...but when the O-line cant hold for even 3-4 seconds and keep a qb from getting pressured/sacked/chased...how the hell can you have time for a WR to get down field for a long play?

I was sick of hearing Holt say that (take a shot down field)...as if the o-line was giving Clausen or anyone else enough time for a play down field to develop but Clausen was just electing to check-down. For gods sakes if the o-line cant give the guy even a few seconds from shotgun and dropping back 3-5 steps before someone is in his face..no matter what QB you bring in it wont mean squat~

Even when Clausen had a bit of time..you can see his nervousness with the shaky O-line. Guy doesn't trust the O-line to give him time, and based on what he has been playing with this season..i don't blame him at all.

Hard to hold out 8 defenders with 6 blockers when the quarterback won't throw the ball down the field and burn them for blitzing. Hard to keep defenders off the quarterback when he doesn't read the defense and audiblize to another play or pick up on hot reads.

Hard to keep the other team from gap blitzing every time when the worse that happens is that the quarterbacks throws an underneath pass for 3 or 4 yards and we fail to get the first down without a herculean effort from Goodson.

Clausen is his own worse enemy and is causing much of his own misery. Truth is that a decent quarterback who can throw the ball down the field won't have this kind of pressure because the defense is concerned about the passing attack and keeps the safeties deeper.

It is a chicken or egg argument. As long as Clausen is going to pass so poorly teams are going to load the box and blitz. And as long as they do that Clausen will be under pressure and running for his life. The simple solution would be gain good yards on first and second down so we aren't in third and long and throw the ball down the field to back off the safeties.

[Jhyler12]

He is just bad...

[KatsAzz]

I will have to vote for number five.