Why is Jimmy not throwing more touchdowns?

[panthers55]

He's too busy throwing checkdowns.

I've had my doubts about Clausen, but I'm beginning to feel like the kid might be ok in this league. The supporting cast has a lot to do with it, but Clausen has displayed good pocket presence and good decision making. Most importantly, he hasn't turned the ball over very often. At least not as often as we've seen in the last 2 years. He could thrive under a new coach and coaching staff, but one thing is for certain he needs to fix his throwing motion. That extremely low release is dangerous, watching some highlights the balls is almost skimming the helmets of linemen. He needs to find and use his throwing lanes, too many batted balls.

Good pocket presence?? Would that be the 3 sacks he didn't avoid while he held the ball and didn't feel the rush or the great decision making to constantly throw the ball away when there were guys uncovered downfield??

[panther4life]

There are guys open on almost every play. Clausen is so fixated on the dump off pass he doesn't look downfield. Wouldn't matter what was called.

To me its hard to judge if people are getting open downfield cuz the camera angles generally follow the action. I do remember one third down play where Goodson was wide open short and Clausen neglected him until he was able to find Lafell open downfield for the first.

Also it seems to me alot of the short passing plays are designed and called by Davidson. Combine that with the fact the line rarely gives him more time to make more than his first read, if they cant get open he throws it away before taking the sack.

Another reason I can't justify crucifying Clausen is we rarely pass on first or 2nd down. I swear Fox doesent trust him simply cuz he's a rookie, hence the reason he started St. Pierre over Pike. So when Fox does not trust you to make plays until he absoulutely has to( some third and longs and late in games when were trying to come back).

One more thing to consider,how often has Clausen been allowed to throw it in the red zone?

In spite of all the obstacles I think Clausen is getting better at keeping us in a postion to win, when given the chance. If he was blatantly costing us games then I'd change my tune on him.

[TheRealDeal]

In spite of all the obstacles I think Clausen is getting better at keeping us in a postion to win, when given the chance. If he was blatantly costing us games then I'd change my tune on him.

The only reason we have been in games lately is because our running game has taken off. Goodson has been a beast and this past game Stew returned and Goodson also played well.

STs have stepped it up with some nice punt returns giving our offense good field position in each of the last 2 games.

Defense has forced turnovers and even scored to help us.

Clausen has done NOTHING to keep us in games.

He has 1 TD pass all year and it was when the defender fell down or there was a blatant blown coverage.

[panther4life]

The only reason we have been in games lately is because our running game has taken off. Goodson has been a beast and this past game Stew returned and Goodson also played well.

STs have stepped it up with some nice punt returns giving our offense good field position in each of the last 2 games.

Defense has forced turnovers and even scored to help us.

Clausen has done NOTHING to keep us in games. He has 1 TD pass all year and it was when the defender fell down or there was a blatant blown coverage.

His multiple third down conversions this past game, kept us in the game. The last pass play of th game kept us in the game.

[CRA]

His multiple third down conversions this past game, kept us in the game. The last pass play of th game kept us in the game.

too much focus on 1 pass to LaFell......not enough attention on how pathetic he was the entire game. Clausen doesn't generate offense.....the check down mindset doesn't work in this offense. Unless we break huge runs the offense isn't going to so anything w/ Clausen under center.

[panthers55]

To me its hard to judge if people are getting open downfield cuz the camera angles generally follow the action. I do remember one third down play where Goodson was wide open short and Clausen neglected him until he was able to find Lafell open downfield for the first.

Also it seems to me alot of the short passing plays are designed and called by Davidson. Combine that with the fact the line rarely gives him more time to make more than his first read, if they cant get open he throws it away before taking the sack.

Another reason I can't justify crucifying Clausen is we rarely pass on first or 2nd down. I swear Fox doesent trust him simply cuz he's a rookie, hence the reason he started St. Pierre over Pike. So when Fox does not trust you to make plays until he absoulutely has to( some third and longs and late in games when were trying to come back).

One more thing to consider,how often has Clausen been allowed to throw it in the red zone?

In spite of all the obstacles I think Clausen is getting better at keeping us in a postion to win, when given the chance. If he was blatantly costing us games then I'd change my tune on him.

Don't agree at all but I learned that arguing with you just extends the thread another 20 pages. You are obviously a big Clausen fan and have a very skewed view of things. That is fine, doesn't really matter. Hopefully after this season we bring in a veteran and a true franchise quarterback and see what a new coach and assistants can bring. Clausen will be here so he will get a shot at starting. I only hope we aren't stupid enough to pin all our hopes on him next year like we did with Moore this year. At least with Jimmy playing so poorly there won't be any delusions that he will be good like Moorewas thought to be based on what he did in his final 5 games last year.

[panther4life]

Don't agree at all but I learned that arguing with you just extends the thread another 20 pages. You are obviously a big Clausen fan and have a very skewed view of things. That is fine, doesn't really matter. Hopefully after this season we bring in a veteran and a true franchise quarterback and see what a new coach and assistants can bring. Clausen will be here so he will get a shot at starting. I only hope we aren't stupid enough to pin all our hopes on him next year like we did with Moore this year. At least with Jimmy playing so poorly there won't be any delusions that he will be good like Moorewas thought to be based on what he did in his final 5 games last year.

I'm not saying I'm right, I just express my opinion and state reasons as to why I feel the way I do.

I dont run around promoting Clausen as a franchise qb or say he's better than Bradford, I just say he has some skill set, potential and he may play better under different circumstances. Its too early to say oh Clausen sucks imo. In yours it apparently isn't. So no need to argue or call each other names cuz we dont agree(see the regulars missing thread).

[pantherclaw]

I think he just doesn't like to look down field. However he was groomed, he doesn't allow his vision to even look down field. He misses open receivers all the time. He should also have enough chemistry with our guys by now to be able to hit them in stride with quick slants, and go routes.

[rayzor]

Hint: If you don't throw the ball down the field, you can't throw touchdowns. When he throws desperations heaves like he did to LaFell, it was right on the money. Why not play with more desperation and takes chances. It isn't like he is avoiding picks as it is, might as well throw a few deep ones as well. At 1-10 we have little to lose.

There are guys open on almost every play. Clausen is so fixated on the dump off pass he doesn't look downfield. Wouldn't matter what was called.

agreed.

clausen has the guys open, he's just playing not to screw up...very similar to fox's playing not to lose.

if clausen was excelling with using the dumpoffs and constantly moving the chains to get us in better position to score, it would be different, but he isn't consistently doing that either.

he's trying to play safe and playing scared and is getting nowhere. if it wasn't for goodson yesterday, clausen wouldn't have looked nearly as good as he did.

i will say that he didn't look as panic stricken as he did earlier so he has that going for him, but i wouldn't say he is at all a bold player. foxball needs a gunslinger. clausen's safe playing might work in another offense, but not this one.

the most important thing, though, is he isn't scoring. he has the receivers that can do it, he just isn't getting it to them and making it happen. blame falls on him.

[panthers55]

I'm not saying I'm right, I just express my opinion and state reasons as to why I feel the way I do.

I dont run around promoting Clausen as a franchise qb or say he's better than Bradford, I just say he has some skill set, potential and he may play better under different circumstances. Its too early to say oh Clausen sucks imo. In yours it apparently isn't. So no need to argue or call each other names cuz we dont agree(see the regulars missing thread).

Right now he does suck. Whether he will suck in a few years is still up for debate. Hopefully we actually get a quarterback who doesn't suck and can make plays right away instead of hoping he will improve in a year or two. I don't want to suck that long hoping Clausen will improve.

[rayzor]

clausen apparently has to have just the right system and coaching to succeed. if he finds it here, fine.

i'd just rather have a QB that can fit any system and do well. if he comes out in the draft this year, he will be avaiable to us and only us.

[panthers55]

His multiple third down conversions this past game, kept us in the game. The last pass play of th game kept us in the game.

5 for 13 is not that great. It could have been 8 for 13 if he didn't throw underneath passes that had no chance to be converted for first downs. But what do you expect with dump it off Clausen.

[rayzor]

38% rate on 3rd down conversions is below average in the league. not sure that is something to be proud of or feel good about. same with only five 3rd down conversions. pretty well below average as well.

i guess when the bar is low and you are looking for any reason to prove he isn't as bad as people think, your willing to be satisfied with less.

[mick eye]

Actually 38% is middle of the road. Also if we had not got screwed on the Lefell catch and not run that goofy draw play to Rosario on 3 and 12 it could have been even better. Check the link. http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/third-down-conversion-pct