Hurney and mortgaging the future...

[Jangler]

See? This is why I don't like to think....now if you will excuse me, I will let the triptafen take me away.

[Sandy Claws]

now if you will excuse me, I will let the triptafen take me away.

I thought that was http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVLzkTuVmrw?

[Kurb]

Exactly. But the difference is... your argument isn't backed up by facts. History may repeat itself, but Hurney clearly said that he wasn't willing to trade up into the 1st round to get Clausen. (I currently don't have the article with me, but I promise you that's true.) Until you show some facts your argument is invalid.

Edit:

Just another one, not the one I'm looking for, but close enough.

"Second-rounder Jimmy Clausen is expected to open minicamp as the No. 2 QB behind Matt Moore.GM Marty Hurney spent much of Friday trying to trade up in the second round, including offers to the Rams at No. 33. In the end, Clausen fell into his lap. Even if Clausen's pedigree gives him the "QB of the future" label, Matt Moore is still the favorite to open the season as the starter. Considering Moore's track record -- albeit in limited action -- it's certainly not a foregone conclusion that he's merely a seat-warmer for Clausen."

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_relatednews.aspx?sport=nfl&id=4535

I never said he was trying to get into the first round.

I said he was trying to trade next years first to move around in the second to get Clausen.

[Cavscout]

I just hope that he doesn't trade 2012's first rounder for a second rounder this year

[panthers55]

Edwards was traded up to get in the third at #89 and has done nothing, bottom line. Goodson was a fourth round #111.

In my mind I'm feeling better that a 4th round RB didn't pan out with Stewart and Williams on the roster than I do a 3rd rounder you traded up to get as a project/potential #2 WR without a legitimate #2 WR or KR/PR on the roster already?

You missed the point. People made the bust comparison about Goodson last year and they were wrong based on ths year's results. Making the same conclusion about Edwards may be just as wrong if he plays much better next year. The point was that you can't make a decision based on one year in the league when he doesn't get many chances.

[CarolinaCatBrigade]

I never said he was trying to get into the first round.

I said he was trying to trade next years first to move around in the second to get Clausen.

No he didn't try and trade a 1st round pick to get Clausen in the 2nd round. Hurney said himself that the reason he didn't trade up was because other teams wanted a 1st round pick. Hurney wasn't willing to give that up, so we stayed at #48. It's a fact. You can't fight "fact vs. hunch".

[Kurb]

*sigh*

[rayzor]

Hurney said himself .......

you still haven't backed that up. you keep saying that "hurney said himself..." but you haven't shown where he did.

when you trade up to an earlier spot in the 2nd round , that 9 times out of 10 means that you are going to be giving up next years first.

last year he did it to get brown. this year he was trying to do it to get clausen. thats just how he works.

[mav1234]

I really doubt he was trying to trade next year's 1st, because if he was, I think he actually finds a suitor.

[CarolinaCatBrigade]

you still haven't backed that up. you keep saying that "hurney said himself..." but you haven't shown where he did.

when you trade up to an earlier spot in the 2nd round , that 9 times out of 10 means that you are going to be giving up next years first.

last year he did it to get brown. this year he was trying to do it to get clausen. thats just how he works.

Yes he was looking to move up in the second. But the reason he didn't was because it cost him a 1st. Yes I can't find the old Observer article, but you haven't presented anything that backs up your claim ether. And you are right, 9 out of 10 times it does cost a 1st to move up in the 2nd round, that's why we didn't.

[CarolinaCatBrigade]

Here it is: http://blogs.charlotte.com/panthers/2010/04/reviewing-a-huge-draft-day-for-panthers-the-clausen-chase-the-armanti-factor.html

"He called the St. Louis Rams, who had the first pick in Round 2, 33rd overall. But the Rams wouldn't make a deal, apparently because Hurney was not willing to surrender a future first-round pick for the third consecutive year.

Hurney tried to trade all through Round 2, but kept running into the same problem.

Alas, he sat there at 48 and got Clausen anyway, prompting him to say "Sometimes the best trades are the ones you don't make."

"Though he wouldn't deal his 2011 No. 1, he was ready and willing to swap his second-rounder next year and found a willing partner in New England. The Patriots love to collect future second rounders and, in exchange, gave Carolina their pick at No. 89, the 25th selection in the third round."

Check the facts next time.

[rayzor]

that is what he has done in the past. were it up to him, he would have done it. that's how he does it. he has a track record of doing it. without facts to the contrary, it makes sense that he would have done it again. as long as he is the GM, htat is a danger. thats how he learned to do business. that's how his mentor did it.

i'm willing to admit i'm wrong about it, but without proof i won't.

doesn't matter, though. you have the pats that collect picks and you have the panthers that give them away. the goal is to get now and pay for it later. you always give up more later trying to get less now. you give up a first round so that you can move up in the 2nd. you give up 3 picks so you can get an additional first round now. you give up a 2nd rounder so you can get a third round project. when you do that, you put yourself in the hole. meanwhile the teams you trade those picks to can only thank you for giving them 2 for 1. that's why the pats have so many picks this year.

[rayzor]

Here it is: http://blogs.charlotte.com/panthers/2010/04/reviewing-a-huge-draft-day-for-panthers-the-clausen-chase-the-armanti-factor.html

"He called the St. Louis Rams, who had the first pick in Round 2, 33rd overall. But the Rams wouldn't make a deal, apparently because Hurney was not willing to surrender a future first-round pick for the third consecutive year.

Hurney tried to trade all through Round 2, but kept running into the same problem.

Alas, he sat there at 48 and got Clausen anyway, prompting him to say "Sometimes the best trades are the ones you don't make."

"Though he wouldn't deal his 2011 No. 1, he was ready and willing to swap his second-rounder next year and found a willing partner in New England. The Patriots love to collect future second rounders and, in exchange, gave Carolina their pick at No. 89, the 25th selection in the third round."

Check the facts next time.

meh...i was waiting for you to check them. want a cookie?

[mav1234]

edit: ahh I see you didn't see it, nevermind!

why do you think Hurney was the sole reason for those picks? Don't you think a "Win-Now" mentality could have dominated them? It's very possible that we'll see a bit of a different strategy in the next draft or so.

too bad we already lost our 2nd rounder.