Hurney and mortgaging the future...

[brandon_87]

In all honesty, I don't think it's Fox that needs to go, its Hurney and Davidson. Our players seem to rally behind Fox, its Hurney's fault for not bringing in the talent and Davidson's fault for not making use of the talent we have....

[SorthNarolina]

The Otah trade was great IMO. It gave us a great run game that carried this team through 08 and 09.

Without that Philly would have been picking higher than 27 and the 49ers would be picking WAY higher than 17(or wherever it was).

So the Otah trade was fantastic.

Then Brown/Goodson happened.

Brown is barely valuable to the team if at all. Goodson is the better half of the trade even though he was drafted in the 4th as a luxury while Brown was supposed to have an immediate impact.

Then Edwards happened.

Now I'm sure Hurney didn't expect us to be this crappy. But he essentially gambled to gamble on the biggest boom or bust prospect in the draft. Now it's too early to expect Edwards to be making an immediate impact. But I was hoping he could at least be a returner by this time. Really we are way too much of a disaster right now to coddle a D2 QB into an NFL WR.

Pretty much Hurney has done well in the draft but he just totally blew all the good faith with the last two trades unless they pay off by the next season whether it's 11 or 12. Too risky. We need to tone it down this year unless we are trading down.

[pstall]

Where it's a concern for me is it seems that just this year, JR seemed to have the light go on with CBA and more.

I also have a hunch it was JR who pushed for Armanti. The reach on draft day was so obvious to me it was all about local talent to get butts in the seats.

Armanti can't even play special teams? HUH??

I have said it a million times. Our scouting team is hit or miss per positions. RB's, LB's and OT to some degree, they have done a solid job.

Elsewhere good luck.

Not recognizing the inability to grab great talent in those other areas have costs us dearly. If you are weak at drafting in those spots, all the more reason to compensate in FA. That balances out your misses much better. A hedge if you will.

[Kurb]

In all honesty, I don't think it's Fox that needs to go, its Hurney and Davidson. Our players seem to rally behind Fox, its Hurney's fault for not bringing in the talent and Davidson's fault for not making use of the talent we have....

Fox has made his run here.

Time to start blaming him and not his coordinators.

Hurney has made what Fox wanted to happen, happen.

[brandon_87]

Fox has made his run here.

Time to start blaming him and not his coordinators.

Hurney has made what Fox wanted to happen, happen.

I hardly doubt this is what Fox wanted but I can see what u mean, and if we do get another coach, it had better be another offensive minded coach or there will have been no reason to let Fox walk.... With the talent we have now, we are best suited for a west coast/hybrid system but we need a OC to handle that, hands down

[SorthNarolina]

Where it's a concern for me is it seems that just this year, JR seemed to have the light go on with CBA and more.

I also have a hunch it was JR who pushed for Armanti. The reach on draft day was so obvious to me it was all about local talent to get butts in the seats.

Armanti can't even play special teams? HUH??

I have said it a million times. Our scouting team is hit or miss per positions. RB's, LB's and OT to some degree, they have done a solid job.

Elsewhere good luck.

Not recognizing the inability to grab great talent in those other areas have costs us dearly. If you are weak at drafting in those spots, all the more reason to compensate in FA. That balances out your misses much better. A hedge if you will.

Yeah I think JR was all over that too.

[Woodie]

i'm expecting that the best we could get for clausen by himself is a 4th maybe a 3rd rounder. i would package him up with a late round pick to move up into the 2nd.

we have too much youth as it is on this team. i would rather use the later round picks to trade for vet players to fill needs. not sure the new coach would approve of that, but to me it would be a better use of those picks.

I think if Clausen continues to play as he has thus far, he'll pull at least a mid-3rd to mid-4th pick. After all, I think most will see the same thing Scott Wright did in the article you linked, and that's that no QB would look good if put in the same situation as Clausen. So there would likely be a couple of teams that still see good potential from him, but without any sign of the so-called character issues he was reputed to have. IMO, they would still see him as a better risk in the 3rd than a college QB with a 3rd round grade.

However, if Clausen continues to improve and shows some glimpses of the potential most saw in him coming out of college, then we would likely be able to recoup the 2nd we gave up for him. And if he really catches on and plays really well, we could get a mid-late 1st...however, if that happens, we would likely win a couple of games and be out of the running for Luck anyway.

[Kurb]

I hardly doubt this is what Fox wanted but I can see what u mean, and if we do get another coach, it had better be another offensive minded coach or there will have been no reason to let Fox walk.... With the talent we have now, we are best suited for a west coast/hybrid system but we need a OC to handle that, hands down

lol whut?

[brandon_87]

lol whut?

With the talent and speed we have at WR we should easily be able to offset 8-9 in the box with a lot of short passes to get them out of the box. Along with the smash mouth running we usually do, it could be a nice set up.

With davidson's playbook consisting of simple runs and 2 pass plays we coulld really open things up.

Pass 1 :PA, x runs a streak, y runs a out, z runs a postm

Pass 2.: everyone runs a slant

That is lame

[Mr. Scot]

You can learn a lot about Marty Hurney by reading up on Bobby Beathard.

Beathard was the Redskins GM when Hurney was in their organization. He built some Super Bowl winning teams in his career there. Later moved on to San Diego where his career would eventually be marred by the decision to use a number two overall pick on Ryan Leaf (a decision pretty much any GM in his position would also have made).

In his time as GM, especially with the Chargers if I recall correctly, Beathard traded away a fair number of future high round picks. Sometimes it worked. Other times it didn't. Hurney's willingness to trade and swap likely owes plenty to Beathard's mentorship.

For the record, Beathard's son Jeff is one of the Panthers regional scouts.

[brandon_87]

So basically some "beathard's" screwed up our franchise??

[rayzor]

In all honesty, I don't think it's Fox that needs to go, its Hurney and Davidson. Our players seem to rally behind Fox, its Hurney's fault for not bringing in the talent and Davidson's fault for not making use of the talent we have....

fox's goal in every year is to win 3 out of 4 games. his goal is to be just good enough....not the best. the bar is constantly set too low, he plays not to lose, and his brand of football is increasingly becoming obsolete. he despises aggressive play and feels bad about it, especially when it results in a heavy passing game. he holds the team back and has done it for years. whose fault is davidson being here? that would be fox's. thats the guy he brought in to take henning's place (another failed OC that is getting ready to be fired again).

sure, the players rally around fox...but they don't excel under him.

i didn't intend for this to be a fox hate thread, but fox is a huge problem and it is very much time for him to leave.

[Kevin Greene]

You can learn a lot about Marty Hurney by reading up on Bobby Beathard.

Beathard was the Redskins GM when Hurney was in their organization. He built some Super Bowl winning teams in his career there. Later moved on to San Diego where his career would eventually be marred by the decision to use a number two overall pick on Ryan Leaf (a decision pretty much any GM in his position would also have made).

In his time as GM, especially with the Chargers if I recall correctly, Beathard traded away a fair number of future high round picks. Sometimes it worked. Other times it didn't. Hurney's willingness to trade and swap likely owes plenty to Beathard's mentorship.

For the record, Beathard's son Jeff is one of the Panthers regional scouts.

There may actually be a good lesson to learn their from Bobby Beathard.

He was the GM in San Diego from 1990-2000.

From 1990-1993 he used his 1st round picks to good advantage. The team peaked in 1994 and made the Super Bowl, and was one and done in the 1995 playoffs

From 1994 until 2000 the Chargers utilized their first round pick only one time in those 7 years. Not coincidentally perhaps they drowned in mediocrity never making the playoffs after 1995 and finally finishing 1-15 in 2000.

The mentality where if I just reach for this guy or if I just had one more player this draft did not serve the Chargers well, nor has it served the Panthers well either.

Patience is a virtue.

[rayzor]

You can learn a lot about Marty Hurney by reading up on Bobby Beathard.

Beathard was the Redskins GM when Hurney was in their organization. He built some Super Bowl winning teams in his career there. Later moved on to San Diego where his career would eventually be marred by the decision to use a number two overall pick on Ryan Leaf (a decision pretty much any GM in his position would also have made).

In his time as GM, especially with the Chargers if I recall correctly, Beathard traded away a fair number of future high round picks. Sometimes it worked. Other times it didn't. Hurney's willingness to trade and swap likely owes plenty to Beathard's mentorship.

For the record, Beathard's son Jeff is one of the Panthers regional scouts.

the thing that made it worse for beathard in the ryan leaf situation was that he traded up to get him. he went 6 out of 7 drafts with the chargers without having any first round picks. that year the chargers had the 3rd overall and they traded that, their second, and their first from the next year plus a couple players to the cardinals so that they could draft leaf.

now beathard had put together a couple teams that won rings (4 i think) and got san diego to the superbowl as well, but everything he did was a gamble. that last thing he did to get leaf was the ultimate fail. that is what i'm afraid hurney is due for.