Hurney and mortgaging the future...

[Ohio]

say such irresponsible things? lol you're a piece of work. the things i have been saying is the same things that most people have been saying. people a whole lot more educated than either of us about this game have been making arguments for his being #1 and if you're too lazy to find them and/or read them then i'm not going to help you. i'll let you wallow in ignorance. i don't mind/care.

let's turn this around. Who has clausen beat, or what good college defense has he torched, that makes you say things that go against what most experts are saying about luck? Why not continue to draft a position, that we're young at, and developing talent and that we don't have settled at all.

more than that...who has clausen beat at the pro level that makes you think we could afford to pass up on a stud like luck. what makes clausen so special?

my logic is that clausen has done nothing to make us pass up on luck. QB is a position of need and it is far from settled. luck is a better prospect. we don't really have enough invested in clasuen that says we shouldn't try to get a better prospect. we haven't seen enough from clausen to not try to improve the most important position of need we have.

like i said, the best case clausen could make for himself is to beat teams and knock us out of the race for #1 overall.

would luck have done better...probably. would luck be better down the road? that's the more important question and one that i feel confident in saying yes.

we would be dumb to pass on luck for any position. we would be dumb to pass on luck because we feel we have settled with clausen. passing on luck if we have the opportunity will be one of those things that the franchise would regret for many years to come.

Wait, you claim that I am ignorant, but yet, I have asked you questions that you refuse to answer, but then you want me to answer your questions. Now whose the ignorant one that is scared to answer the questions? I love how you say "well lets turn this around" because you know you can not defend Luck, enough said.

Since I am not scared I will answer your fluff cake questions. In 08 Clausen carved up your Jim Harbaugh Standford team for 347 and 3tds. Also that same year he threw for 383 and 2tds against a UNC defense loaded with NFL talent. In 09 he threw for under 250yds only twice, while he picked apart that NFL loaded USC defense for 260 and 2tds, and once again spanking Jim Harbaughs defense for 340 and 5 tds. And Jimmy won his bowl game, cant say the same for Luck.

You want to claim that "ahhh these experts has Luck at #1 and were taking him" well hey genius, those same EXPERTS also had Jimmy as a top 10 pick last year, so what is your point?

And you obviously do not know football if you think a rookie QB can put a team on his back and carry them to victory, especially when your team is as atrocious as ours. How can you possibly believe that?

You say I'm ignorant but say "Luck would have probably done better then Jimmy this year" and you have absolutely nothing to back that up, IGNORANT.

Also Peyton Mannings rookie year he went 3-13, so should the colts have drafted Daunte Culpepper the following year with the 4th pick? Answer the question! Based off of your logic, what would be your answer. It's basically the same situation as Jimmy so lets see if all of a sudden you change your mind.

Now since I've answered your questions and smashed them, I expect you to answer all of the ones you have been to scared to answer, plus the one I just asked.

[thefuzz]

He should be fired because of your opinions

Face it, he could well be operating under the guidelines set out by JR, or believing in his scouts & HCs evaluations of current and scouted players.

Yes Brown has really struggled, yes Armanti is yet to play much, however to sack him because of these two picks is naivety at its best.

You say it's unacceptable to pick two RBs in the first in 3 years, yet completely disregard that we are the team that leans on the running game the most. Sure you can get running backs who perform later in the draft, but these two are literally two of the best and until this year have been carrying our offense.

P55 is right and you are just trying to twist what you said to prevent yourself from sounding wrong.

We HAVE used OUR top picks on the positions you asked for. Clausen was projected to go as high as the top 5 picks for Christ sake.

The only positions that has has NOT invested our top pick in has been WR & DT. DT is notorious for bust rates in the 1st as they take so long to adjust, I will conceed that we should have been more proactive in securing a WR, however look at the ones picked around where we have had our firsts and the success rate is pretty damn low.

No, not for my opinions, for the players that he has put on the field.

We are 1-10, and by far and away the worst team in the league. How can you stand by that? And don't say he had his hands held back, as that was only last season.

Why do you think that we lean on the running game so much? It's because for years Hurney has not ever tried to address the glaring hole at QB for this team.

One more thing to chew on....if Hurney believes that a stout running game is what wins games in this NFL, I most certainly want him fired.

[Mvp2014]

Otah cost us a high 1st, 2nd and 4th so that was a bad trade.

Armanti? Ugghh.

Having wanted Clausen so bad, wouldn't surprise me to see him fug up this years first and do something less than brilliant.

My God, can you imagine if he used this years #1 to trade up for Clausen? :puke:

Very true, Otah is a bulldozer if he can stay healthy, but thats a lot to give up for anyone especially a mammoth O lineman. I cant even fathom what I would do if they traded our 1st overall for Clausen and the 33rd overall for Armanti, we might as well try to hire Al Davis

[DWill]

Otah cost us a high 1st, 2nd and 4th so that was a bad trade.

Armanti? Ugghh.

Having wanted Clausen so bad, wouldn't surprise me to see him fug up this years first and do something less than brilliant.

My God, can you imagine if he used this years #1 to trade up for Clausen? :puke:

This makes my stomach hurt to even think about and is really scary because I have no doubts it was close to happening.

[MadHatter]

Otah cost us a high 1st, 2nd and 4th so that was a bad trade.

Armanti? Ugghh.

Having wanted Clausen so bad, wouldn't surprise me to see him fug up this years first and do something less than brilliant.

My God, can you imagine if he used this years #1 to trade up for Clausen? :puke:

God, why is it so damn hard to understand a trade.

Otah did not cost us a 1st, 2nd, and 4th in the trade.

We traded away a 2nd and 4th to move up.

[MadHatter]

Wait, you claim that I am ignorant, but yet, I have asked you questions that you refuse to answer, but then you want me to answer your questions. Now whose the ignorant one that is scared to answer the questions? I love how you say "well lets turn this around" because you know you can not defend Luck, enough said.

Since I am not scared I will answer your fluff cake questions. In 08 Clausen carved up your Jim Harbaugh Standford team for 347 and 3tds. Also that same year he threw for 383 and 2tds against a UNC defense loaded with NFL talent. In 09 he threw for under 250yds only twice, while he picked apart that NFL loaded USC defense for 260 and 2tds, and once again spanking Jim Harbaughs defense for 340 and 5 tds. And Jimmy won his bowl game, cant say the same for Luck.

You want to claim that "ahhh these experts has Luck at #1 and were taking him" well hey genius, those same EXPERTS also had Jimmy as a top 10 pick last year, so what is your point?

And you obviously do not know football if you think a rookie QB can put a team on his back and carry them to victory, especially when your team is as atrocious as ours. How can you possibly believe that?

You say I'm ignorant but say "Luck would have probably done better then Jimmy this year" and you have absolutely nothing to back that up, IGNORANT.

Also Peyton Mannings rookie year he went 3-13, so should the colts have drafted Daunte Culpepper the following year with the 4th pick? Answer the question! Based off of your logic, what would be your answer. It's basically the same situation as Jimmy so lets see if all of a sudden you change your mind.

Now since I've answered your questions and smashed them, I expect you to answer all of the ones you have been to scared to answer, plus the one I just asked.

Only one "so-called expert" had Clausen as a top 10 pick The rest had bailed on him as a prospect much, much earlier.

[panthers55]

This makes my stomach hurt to even think about and is really scary because I have no doubts it was close to happening.

actually the reason it didn't happen was because folks wanted a first and we wouldn't do it. People just thought w would because we did in the past. But this year wasn't about winning now so there was no pressure to pull the trigger.

[chknwing]

ok with all that said. Why would this organization trade up to get Clausen, if they didn't think he was going to be their qb of the future. What makes you think they don't think that anymore. Dont be surprised when carolina doesnt draft Luck, trades down and gets an OL and WR.

[Murph]

God, why is it so damn hard to understand a trade.

Otah did not cost us a 1st, 2nd, and 4th in the trade.

We traded away a 2nd and 4th to move up.

:nonod:

from wiki

No. 19: Eagles to Panthers. Philadelphia traded its first-round selection to Carolina for Carolina's second- and fourth-round selections in 2008 (No. 43 and 109), and Carolina's first-round pick in 2009.

[Kurb]

:nonod:

from wiki

sigh

we gave them a 2nd and 4th to swap 1sts

this isn't hard folks

[Sandy Claws]

sigh

we gave them a 2nd and 4th to swap 1sts

this isn't hard folks

We also got the pick a year early.

[Kevin Greene]

God, why is it so damn hard to understand a trade.

Otah did not cost us a 1st, 2nd, and 4th in the trade.

We traded away a 2nd and 4th to move up.

We didn't move up. The Panthers used their 13th pick in 2008 on Jonathon Stewart.

They gave away their 2009 1st round pick and their 2008 2nd and 4th round picks to use the Eagles 2008 #19 pick in the 2008 draft.

Otah cost us a 1st, 2nd and 4th.