Hurney and mortgaging the future...

[frash.exe]

If Stanford QB Andrew Luck comes out and we don't select him with the # 1 overall pick,if we have it,then Hurney needs to be run out of the Carolinas on a rail,in my opinion.

um most hurney fans who want Luck should probably know our chances of choosing him even if we have the no.1 pick will go down significantly if Hurney stays

if a new GM comes in it's probably all but a guarantee we get him if we're the first team to select

[X-Clown]

um most hurney fans who want Luck should probably know our chances of choosing him even if we have the no.1 pick will go down significantly if Hurney stays

What?

[CarolinaCatBrigade]

However, the reality is that it's a two-back league

It may become a 3 back league if we have 18 game seasons. To many injuries. It will also shorten the lifespan of RB's. Plus, it gives mediocre players a chance to break season records put up by Elite Hall of Famers. Depth really will be an issue. If you increase the number of regular season games, increase the roster limit. 53 isn't enough for an 18 game season IMO.

[frash.exe]

What?

it's the same guy who drafted clausen and pretty much tried a whole lot to trade up to get him before he fell

[CarolinaCatBrigade]

it's the same guy who drafted clausen and pretty much tried a whole lot to trade up to get him before he fell

True enough. If Fox doesn't have much say in personnel, what makes you think the next coach will? Hurney will be to hard headed and will end up trading down. He has picked up some good talent, I will give him that. But these trades have killed us. I think no other trade will kick us more in the nuts than the Armanti Edwards trade. #33 overall is gone. With that being said there is more reason for Hurney to trade down and pick up a 2nd rounder. Therefor passing on Luck and causing a riot in downtown Charlotte. Come April be ready to light your torches boys.

[frash.exe]

True enough. If Fox doesn't have much say in personnel, what makes you think the next coach will? Hurney will be to hard headed and will end up trading down. He has picked up some good talent, I will give him that. But these trades have killed us. I think no other trade will kick us more in the nuts than the Armanti Edwards trade. #33 overall is gone. With that being said there is more reason for Hurney to trade down and pick up a 2nd rounder. Therefor passing on Luck and causing a riot in downtown Charlotte. Come April be ready to light your torches boys.

this is why i don't really want Hurney back. i know there's a good chance he stays, more than the chance he leaves, because he chose his side (Richardson), and he hasn't backed Fox much at all. But Hurney was really sold on Clausen, and might absolve him from the way he played here based on blaming it on Fox.

And it might be right to assume the reason Clausen's not playing well is he's just not that talented, but then you'll have the franchise keep him as the future anyway based on the stupid logic "we got a first rounder in the second round!"<----yea, did we?

Then we'll pass up on Jim Harbaugh which will kill any additional probability, and try to trade down from no.1, fail, and then select PRINCE AMUKAMARA with the top pick and that's when i start rooting for the ravens

[rayzor]

True enough. If Fox doesn't have much say in personnel, what makes you think the next coach will? Hurney will be to hard headed and will end up trading down. He has picked up some good talent, I will give him that. But these trades have killed us. I think no other trade will kick us more in the nuts than the Armanti Edwards trade. #33 overall is gone. With that being said there is more reason for Hurney to trade down and pick up a 2nd rounder. Therefor passing on Luck and causing a riot in downtown Charlotte. Come April be ready to light your torches boys.

meh...fox always had a lot of say in the draft. this year is probably the exception because...well...they got rid of foxes favorite guys (his crutches). also, fox wasn't going to be here the following year. why give him much of a say in decisions that were more about the long term than the short term?

the fact that we didn't address QB until this year more speaks to fox's blind loyalty to jake and the lack of attention paid to improving the WR corps over the years had fox's "run the ball, stop the run" antiquated philosophy written all over it.

the new coach will have quite a bit of a say in who he gets.

also, remember what some of the people who got phone calls from richardson said, that ther was a decision by richardson a couple years ago that if they couldn't get back to back winning seasons that he was going to have them ditch the old guys and go with a youth movement. prior to that fox had the guys he wanted on his team.

he wasn't getting the job done with them and wasn't changing things enough to get the job done so jerry stepped in. it was his call to make the team young and it was his call to pay attention to the passing game and special teams and to go as fast as possible. that's what hurney did and that's what i believe is the direction richardson wants hurney to take this team. fast, aggressive, and a strong passing game. that is also most likely going to be the direction that they go when they make the new hire. what they have been doing for years wasn't getting the job done. at some point you have to change course and roll with the tide.

i think hurney got players that he hoped would fit the new coach's philosophy and when the new coach gets in, he'll be able to fine tune it.

the only thing i don't trust is what hurney will be willing to do to accomplish all of it and if he'll be able to control his desire to gamble.

[rayzor]

this is why i don't really want Hurney back. i know there's a good chance he stays, more than the chance he leaves, because he chose his side (Richardson), and he hasn't backed Fox much at all. But Hurney was really sold on Clausen, and might absolve him from the way he played here based on blaming it on Fox.

And it might be right to assume the reason Clausen's not playing well is he's just not that talented, but then you'll have the franchise keep him as the future anyway based on the stupid logic "we got a first rounder in the second round!"<----yea, did we?

Then we'll pass up on Jim Harbaugh which will kill any additional probability, and try to trade down from no.1, fail, and then select PRINCE AMUKAMARA with the top pick and that's when i start rooting for the ravens

thats another thing i'm really fearful of is hurney's confidence in his picks and them carrying more weight than the new coaches. i don't want to hear hurney telling the new coach "just trust me in this". i want that to be what the new coach tells hurney and hurney letting him have his guy(s).

[Kevin Greene]

people refuse to see it, but the williams pick was not intentional.

they needed a back up to foster, but had no idea that williams would fall to them. if williams was not on the board, they would have picked up an rb in the later rounds.

stewart was intentional. williams hadn't proven anything up to that point, and fox wanted to reinforce the run game. beef up the o-line and bring in a downhill runner.

stewart was the only back in the 2008 draft that fit the bill, and he wasn't going to make it out of the first round.

DWill ran for over 700 yards during 2007 at a 5.0 YPC average, he'd shown all he needed to but Fox being Fox continued to feed Deshaun Foster the bulk of the carries at a scintilating 3.5YPC average. 247 times they fed Foster the ball that year.

The Panthers knew they had a great back in D-Will, to say otherwise is foolish imo. His 2007 season numbers were pretty damn hot for a backup. However, the reality is that it's a two-back league, and the Panthers were very very high on Stewart and for a team built around the run, two backs is a good idea!

Two back league yes, 2 #1 draft picks in 3 years? No.

[R0CKnR0LLA]

RB is the deepest position in the draft and generally easy to find through FA as well. They also have the shortest careers and effect a small number of plays in a game (especially in a two back system) when compared to other high value positions that impact every play (OT, QB, ect).

There's also the adage that you don't need a great RB to have a great rushing attack. Have a potent passing game so teams can't stack the box and a dominant OLine and you can pretty much plug in any jackass and still have a solid YPC.

Personally I don't like spending a single first rounder on a RB. But then spending two in three years and you end up with the best RB depth chart in the league, and yet the worst overall offense.

[nosuchthingasapanther]

DWill ran for over 700 yards during 2007 at a 5.0 YPC average, he'd shown all he needed to but Fox being Fox continued to feed Deshaun Foster the bulk of the carries at a scintilating 3.5YPC average. 247 times they fed Foster the ball that year.

williams sucked at pass protection. that's what kept him from being the lead man.

even he admitted to it.

[rayzor]

RB is the deepest position in the draft and generally easy to find through FA as well. They also have the shortest careers and effect a small number of plays in a game (especially in a two back system) when compared to other high value positions that impact every play (OT, QB, ect).

There's also the adage that you don't need a great RB to have a great rushing attack. Have a potent passing game so teams can't stack the box and a dominant OLine and you can pretty much plug in any jackass and still have a solid YPC.

Personally I don't like spending a single first rounder on a RB. But then spending two in three years and you end up with the best RB depth chart in the league, and yet the worst overall offense.

look at who the saints are running with. doesn't really matter who they have carrying the ball or what practice squad they were kicked off of.

with a good passing game, these RB corps can be the most lethal ever in NFL history. we don't need to dismantle the RB corps...what we do need is a passing attack that DCs wouldn't dare try to stack the box with. at that point you would have an offense that would make DCs all over the league piss in their beds at night.

[Kevin Greene]

look at who the saints are running with. doesn't really matter who they have carrying the ball or what practice squad they were kicked off of.

with a good passing game, these RB corps can be the most lethal ever in NFL history. we don't need to dismantle the RB corps...what we do need is a passing attack that DCs wouldn't dare try to stack the box with. at that point you would have an offense that would make DCs all over the league piss in their beds at night.

Ditka thought he could win it all in New orleans if he traded away his draft for Ricky Williams.

Not.

[Ohio]

luck>clausen

luck = franchise QB

if we don't get luck then we stick with clausen but bring in a vet QB.

that's my logic.

your logic...stick with mediocre QB talent because its here and don't risk trying to get better players because they could be worse. if that isn't an accurate interpretation of your logic then i would call that being even.

oh...luck is a franchise QB.

hate on.

Who has luck beat, or what good college defense has he torched, that makes you say such irresponsible things? Why continue to draft a position, that we're young at, and developing talent. Do you think Luck would have done much better under this atrocious team this year?

My logic is dont give up on a guy who was regarded as a TOP 10 PICK that slid, thats funny because didnt Aaron Rogers fall the same way? I want a position of NEED. We would be dumb to pass on Nick Fairly, Patrick Peterson, or AJ Green. Those guys have proved their talent week in and week out against the best in college football.

Lucks biggest 2 games, losing to a medicore Oklahoma team and Oregon.