Clausen vs Luck vs Young... who would you want??

[The Total Package]

Who, in their right mind, would want VY?

Because his W/L record is 30 and 16.

[theyhateme45]

It doesn't matter who's back there tossing the ole pig skin if our O line consistently plays like dog sh$t.

That's a valid opinion... I tend to believe good QB play will help improve the O-line play for reasons I've stated before.

I also believe our O-line has greatly underperformed, but it is not every play. There are still plays in the game where our QB does have time, but they still have not been effective in consistently making plays.

I am not giving up on Jimmy.... but I do not think you pass up a talent like Luck given the chance with our offensive woes.... It's easier to build around a QB like luck and put pieces in place.... It's VERY difficult to be in position to draft a QB like LUCK... you Have to have the #1 pick in the right year, with the right oportunity on your team. It's a rare opportunity IMO.

[rayzor]

I never like when people overhype a college QB as the next peyton manning.. its far too much to live up to. He could very well be the next ryan leaf for all we know.

would you rather pick him and find out that he's not or let someone pick him and find out that we passed him while we are stuck with mediocre QBs forever?

[theyhateme45]

would you rather pick him and find out that he's not or let someone pick him and find out that we passed him while we are stuck with mediocre QBs forever?

+1

Also If you look at past 1st round QB's the scouting on them have been more hit than miss. I saw recently where someone pulled up scouting reports before the draft for QB's and they were more accurate than "Ryan leaf" type busts. Given this information Luck will have some of the best scouting reports.... Safe pick with a lot of upside potential.

[panthers55]

Not only would we talking Free agent veterans but guys who we could trade for. For example I would be fine giving up a 4th or 5th rounder for Fitzpatrick before the draft. He is going to be a free agent in 2012 anyway and if Buffalo picks Luck or Locker they might be fine letting Ryan go for cheap.

There are other guys out there like that. Between the free agents and guys who could be traded for, we should have plenty of choices for a veteran who could lead the team.

[Doyle]

I still have high hopes for Jimmy but If the draft was tomorrow I would draft Luck. Luck wouldn't be the automatic starter either.

[frash.exe]

would you rather pick him and find out that he's not or let someone pick him and find out that we passed him while we are stuck with mediocre QBs forever?

don't rationalize with him he subscribes to the panthers' front office MO of "NOT COMMITTING TO MAKING CRITICAL DECISIONS"

[panthers55]

Plus there are guys like Cam Newton whose stock has fallen due to the payola issues who might want to jump to the NFl and would be a second or third round pick. I think he has just a good a chance of being a franchise guy as Locker or Luck.

[theyhateme45]

Not only would we talking Free agent veterans but guys who we could trade for. For example I would be fine giving up a 4th or 5th rounder for Fitzpatrick before the draft. He is going to be a free agent in 2012 anyway and if they pick Luck or Locker might be fine letting Ryan go for cheap.

There are other guys out there like that. Between the free agents and guys who could be traded for, we should have plenty of choices for a veteran who could lead the team.

My question is do you believe Fitzpatrick or these other FA have a high probability of being a Franchise QB and leading us to a superbowl title a being consistent enough to make our team a legit contender year end and year out. Not jut mediocre, or good one year and bad the next.

IF yes then I understand your logic... For me the answer is absolutley no. But I do believe there is a good chance Luck can be that guy.

We need a Manning, Brady, Big ben, Rivers type QB who makes us a legit contender year after year... and even when the team is bad, or plagued by injury they can lead the team to wins and still be competitve. If we have the #1 pick and LUck turns out to be that guy and we pass on him that decision would hunt us for a long time IMO.

[robtrox0]

don't rationalize with him he subscribes to the panthers' front office MO of "NOT COMMITTING TO MAKING CRITICAL DECISIONS"

I have no idea in hell how you got that from what I said..

[robtrox0]

I also never said I wouldn't be happy with getting Luck.. I just don't have unrealistic expecations of him being the next manning.

[theyhateme45]

Plus there are guys like Cam Newton whose stock has fallen due to the payola issues who might want to jump to the NFl and would be a second or third round pick. I think he has just a good a chance of being a franchise guy as Locker or Luck.

If you believe that then I understand your post...

To me in the NFL Luck is a far safer pick and has a high high chance of being a much greater NFL qb the Cam.... THe thing is in the NFL must of Cam's strengths are natualized. Cam doesn't face complex coverages because everyone is so worried about him and the option running game... Because of it safties play up, bite often and gives him easy reads and passing lanes... That will not be the case in the NFL.

In college Cam >>>> than Luck

In the NFL Luck>>>> than Cam.

[panthers55]

My question is do you believe Fitzpatrick or these other FA have a high probability of being a Franchise QB and leading us to a superbowl title a being consistent enough to make our team a legit contender year end and year out. Not jut mediocre, or good one year and bad the next.

IF yes then I understand your logic... For me the answer is absolutley no. But I do believe there is a good chance Luck can be that guy.

We need a Manning, Brady, Big ben, Rivers type QB who makes us a legit contender year after year... and even when the team is bad, or plagued by injury they can lead the team to wins and still be competitve. If we have the #1 pick and LUck turns out to be that guy and we pass on him that decision would hunt us for a long time IMO.

I think most of you are talking "either or" most of the time and I am talking both. First you have to decide if Clausen is the guy or not. If he is the guy then you need a veteran who can actually show him the ropes by playing and demonstrating what to do, not sit on the sidelines and hold a clip board.

If you decide that Clausen is not the guy and want to bring in another guy you have to decide who that would be. Would it be Luck, Locker, Mallett, Newton or someone else. I don't know that just picking Luck is as clear cut as many people on here make it. Frankly I have seen him play several games and I am not convinced he is that great. But then again I am no pro scout so what do I know???

But I think you have someone you think is the franchise quarterback (whether he is on the team already or not) as well as bring in someone like Fitzpatrick who is a veteran capable of playing and doing so at a high level.

Your comment was could we win a SB with a Ryan Fitzpatrick?? The history of the Super Bowl says actually we could if we took our top picks and parlayed them into defensive line picks and a shutdown corner given what we already have on the team.

Do I want to pull the trigger on a franchise quarterback this year given this is the first time we will pick in the top 5 since we got Peppers in 2002. Yeah I think I would. But I would rather have too many quarterback choices instead of too few.

[panthers55]

If you believe that then I understand your post...

To me in the NFL Luck is a far safer pick and has a high high chance of being a much greater NFL qb the Cam.... THe thing is in the NFL must of Cam's strengths are natualized. Cam doesn't face complex coverages because everyone is so worried about him and the option running game... Because of it safties play up, bite often and gives him easy reads and passing lanes... That will not be the case in the NFL.

In college Cam >>>> than Luck

In the NFL Luck>>>> than Cam.

But guys like Vick show that a running quarterback is still a weapon in the league. Now consider a guy who is as big as Roethlisberger, has a good arm and is accurate, and can run as fast as most running backs, and then you have Cam Newton. We are talking a 6'6" 250 lb guy with a great arm who actually has a good work ethic.

We probably won't consider him given the recruiting issues and the burglary charges at Florida which were diverted and dropped.

But honestly he has just as much a chance of being a great quarterback in the NFL.

He is big Ben with speed.