Clausen vs Luck vs Young... who would you want??

[rayzor]

I think there are more choices.

1. Seneca Wallace

2. Tyler Thigpen

3. Bruce Gradowski

4. Shaun Hill

5. JT O'Sullivan

ALL ARE BETTER THAT BRIAN ST PIERRE. All are capable of playing if Clausen continues to struggle.

lol...all are better than st. pierre, but wow what sucky choices....

[Jpjr]

I think there are more choices.

1. Seneca Wallace

2. Tyler Thigpen

3. Bruce Gradowski

4. Shaun Hill

5. JT O'Sullivan

ALL ARE BETTER THAT BRIAN ST PIERRE. All are capable of playing if Clausen continues to struggle.

Exactly.

Guys, the Panthers suck with Clausen right now but not because of him. The suck whether he plays or not.

Do we actually want to make the QB depth chart YOUNGER?

Get an experienced vet in Carolina that can play if necessary while developing Clausen.

Clausen is the only rookie in this draft that has not had a vet tutoring him. Instead of Jake or Feeley or Orton he got a 25 year old (Moore) and now BSP.

By the way, this is exactly Shanahan's strategy in Washington. They are going to draft a QB this year, mark my words. They signed on McNabb to finish out his career while tutoring a young QB for a few years. But when Shanahan took over the team he first and foremost went for experience.

[Carolinator]

VY? LOL I'd rather have Billy volek other than that tempermental random.

[rayzor]

Exactly.

Guys, the Panthers suck with Clausen right now but not because of him. The suck whether he plays or not.

Do we actually want to make the QB depth chart YOUNGER?

Get an experienced vet in Carolina that can play if necessary while developing Clausen.

Clausen is the only rookie in this draft that has not had a vet tutoring him. Instead of Jake or Feeley or Orton he got a 25 year old (Moore) and now BSP.

By the way, this is exactly Shanahan's strategy in Washington. They are going to draft a QB this year, mark my words. They signed on McNabb to finish out his career while tutoring a young QB for a few years. But when Shanahan took over the team he first and foremost went for experience.

you're under the impression that those wanting luck drafted here don't want to get a vet QB here. i know i do...we need one on the sidelines that has a lot of playing time and that is smart.

also, i don't want to keep clausen around if we draft luck. he would need to be traded off. the QB plan wouldn't get us younger.

if we can get luck....we need to. the advantages to getting him far outweigh the advantages of keeping clausen and going another direction in the draft.

[theyhateme45]

Exactly.

Guys, the Panthers suck with Clausen right now but not because of him. The suck whether he plays or not.

Do we actually want to make the QB depth chart YOUNGER?

Get an experienced vet in Carolina that can play if necessary while developing Clausen.

Clausen is the only rookie in this draft that has not had a vet tutoring him. Instead of Jake or Feeley or Orton he got a 25 year old (Moore) and now BSP.

By the way, this is exactly Shanahan's strategy in Washington. They are going to draft a QB this year, mark my words. They signed on McNabb to finish out his career while tutoring a young QB for a few years. But when Shanahan took over the team he first and foremost went for experience.

I think I am going to have to disagree with you on this. Though I do not blame Jimmy directly, I do blame the QB position for a lot of our issues on offense. We all know the QB position is the most valuable on the team, and the way the NFL rules have changed the past years it’s become even more valuable. Even a run first ball control offense like the jets have needed great QB play to win games for them…. Without Mark’s play in these past games they could easily be looking at 4 more losses than they have now.

With the said the offense all around have not played great, but Great or good QB’s make the other offensive positions shine or play better. That’s why players like Roddy White broke out when when he got a good qb…. Or WR’s in St. Louis start looking good, or how rookie Te’s for the patriots can catch three td’s, or how we know almost every wr that lineup for the colts. It’s because a good QB makes those positions better.

It improves the running game, which opens that up and keeps defenses off guard which makes it easier on the entire team including the offensive line. With longer sustained drives the defense is on the field less and doesn’t have to defend bad field position as often.

So I do believe that a great or good QB would have a drastic effect on this team.

[mick eye]

Your under the impression that those of us that don't want Luck want Clausen.

I am for giving the kid a shot that's all. This season is the bastard child of the 2001, 2004, and 2007 season. We have a revolving door at QB. The injury bugs are swarming us. We have a lame duck HC. The oline is under performing. I will not place the ineptness of our offense on the rookies ( Gettis, Lefell, Pike, and Clausens) shoulders.

Some think the fast track to competitiveness is a franchise QB with the top pick. I on the other hand would like to be on the receiving end of a lopsided draft day trade or two. Also we have a huge surplus of cash that can be used on free agency.

Vet QB, RG, CB, DT, TE, and WR. Those are our biggest needs. With FA and hopefully a trade down in the first round picking up a 2nd and maybe a player or two and our roster will be set.

[blackcat]

It doesn't matter who's back there tossing the ole pig skin if our O line consistently plays like dog sh$t.

[mick eye]

People forget or ignore i am not sure which, the other moves the Falcons and Rams made to solidify their olines and add weapons for their rookies. Micheal Turner and Tony G, and Mark Clayton were all added to help the rookies transition. The OLines were prepared also. The Rams used a top 3 draft pick on a LT and their top 2nd rounder on a OT also. The Falcons traded back into the 1st to take a LT the same year they took Ryan. Also guards have been added. Point being the new HC and OC will need to add some new pieces to make our young QB successful. Using a high pick on a QB when we could also use upgrades at CB, DT, and WR is counterproductive.

[Khyber53]

Your grouping of choices is far too limited.

[PantherFan52]

Vince Young? That guys a bum. GREAT college QB but he'd go on suicide watch if we lost 3 games straight lol. I don't see how we pass up on Luck if we have the 1 overall though. It all depends on what the new HC wants and if Hurney stays.

[Carl Spackler]

If by some miracle Clausen excels and wins a couple games he can be more confident of his job moving forward, because we'd be out of #1 pick range.

[panthers55]

I would need to see who we pick as a head coach and what we will have as a system before deciding what kind of quarterback we need. For example conventional wisdom is that it takes most WCO quarterbacks a year or two to learn the system. I would not want to bring in a veteran to sit on the sidelines while Clausen or a rookie made tons of mistakes. I would want the veteran to run the system, show the rookies how to do it and turn it over to them in a year or two similar to what Philly did with Kolb. But I would want the veteran to be able to run the show if needed like Vick is doing now in Philly.

If we ran more of a vertical passing offense like our current one which Clausen has already run to one degree or another, then he might be able to play him more without sitting for a year or two. Still you want a veteran who can run the offense effectively in the case of injury or ineffectiveness.

If you want a veteran guy to simply sit on the sidelines who won't come in and play under any circumstances, get an ex-quarterback as the next quarterback coach. As long as your veteran is the backup quarterback, he is one snap away from starting. You want a guy who is good enough to start which may mean he is still better than the guy who is a rookie or still new to the league. Not someone over the hill who isn't capable of playing at a starting level.

[rayzor]

Your under the impression that those of us that don't want Luck want Clausen.

I am for giving the kid a shot that's all. This season is the bastard child of the 2001, 2004, and 2007 season. We have a revolving door at QB. The injury bugs are swarming us. We have a lame duck HC. The oline is under performing. I will not place the ineptness of our offense on the rookies ( Gettis, Lefell, Pike, and Clausens) shoulders.

Some think the fast track to competitiveness is a franchise QB with the top pick. I on the other hand would like to be on the receiving end of a lopsided draft day trade or two. Also we have a huge surplus of cash that can be used on free agency.

Vet QB, RG, CB, DT, TE, and WR. Those are our biggest needs. With FA and hopefully a trade down in the first round picking up a 2nd and maybe a player or two and our roster will be set.

if our answer is a FA QB then plan on sucking for a long time.

there is no one who will be available better than luck.

[robtrox0]

I never like when people overhype a college QB as the next peyton manning.. its far too much to live up to. He could very well be the next ryan leaf for all we know.