At this point, how can you justify Fox not being fired?

[Darth Waya]

This game has turned into a Offensive game with all the rule changes, specifically a passing game....On paper we have the worst passing personnel in the league and it shows on the field.

I blame a coach when he has A talent and fails to produce.... when you have D talent and don't produce you are not the first person I look to blame.

You're right-It has become a passing game. And where the fug has our passing game been the last 9 years? John Fox handcuffs offensive coordinators because he subscribes to the philosophy that only 3 things can happen when you throw the ball, and 2 of them are bad. What's the quote? "A punt is not a bad play"? Yes, John, a punt IS a bad play. Your offense's job is to SCORE TOUCHDOWNS, not eat up clock between the defensive series that give you such a fricking raging hard on.Therefore, if we're punting, logically, the offense failed to do it's job. I fuging despise Belicheat. But he had a point when people were criticizing him for running up the score after Spygate-If the offense is coming off the field and didn't score, they didn't do their damn job. I refuse to believe that in 9 seasons of John Fox football, he couldn't develop an offense that belongs in the modern NFL unless it was a deliberate and willful choice. I knew we weren't going to the playoffs with this team before the season started. Hell, I knew we weren't even going to get to 8-8. But what I didn't know was that I would be embarassed and humiliated as a fan on a weekly basis. You can't fire an owner. So everyone that wants to blame JR, and wish harm on him (Shame on them BTW), needs to accept the fact that this is a big, supersized, soggy poo sandwich with a lot to go around, and Fox has got a pretty big fuging bite coming.

[pantherclaw]

I suppose we have to deal with threads like this the rest of the season.

I don't see how firing fox during th season will improve anything.

He hasn't lost the players, even though most of you are hoping he does/has.

He still has the players playing hard.

[Sandy Claws]

You don't believe Goodson, Smith, Gettis (has shown great potential), Rosario (has been solid before the Ravens game) are talented?

Smith, Gettis , & Rosario have shown talent but there are other components of the passing game that prevent them from making a difference. The QBs do not have the experience to make the right decisions in key situations, the line has been a sieve forcing the decision quicker than their capability to make them. Goodson, I'm not convinced about. Fumbles, luckily we didn't lose them. Seemed to benefit from runs while in passing situations (most here would whine about the play calling if they had not worked)

Some teams are doing more with even less talent at the Rb/Wr and Te position than the Panthers. .

I' betting those teams have a QB and/or protection.

Clausen has talent, just not utilized. .

Not utilized? I agree there are things that need fixing in Clausen, but most take time and experience. There isn't anything that was going to be done with Jimmy that would change this year except another QB to keep him on the bench.

[Pox 08]

Smith, Gettis , & Rosario have shown talent but there are other components of the passing game that prevent them from making a difference. The QBs do not have the experience to make the right decisions in key situations, the line has been a sieve forcing the decision quicker than their capability to make them. Goodson, I'm not convinced about. Fumbles, luckily we didn't lose them. Seemed to benefit from runs while in passing situations (most here would whine about the play calling if they had not worked)

I' betting those teams have a QB and/or protection.

Not utilized? I agree there are things that need fixing in Clausen, but most take time and experience. There isn't anything that was going to be done with Jimmy that would change this year except another QB to keep him on the bench.

We don't know what we have at qb yet until the Oline actually gives them time.

Right now, it seems our qb gets swarmed more times than not, just as the ball gets back to him. Even veteran qbs make horrible mistakes when pressured nonstop. Imo, it's to be expected that Clausen, Moore, Pike, whoever, will look horrible behind that line.

We can't really call the line talentless. Kalil, Gross are probowlers, the line in general performed decent toward the end of last season with a lineup almost as makeshift as the one they're using this season. It looks like they just haven't got the hang of working in unison yet.

It's Fox and company's job to get the Oline gelled, to motivate them. Instead of being blinded by the problem and just switching between 3 Qbs a million times this season.