Ward 1, Hunter, maybe 2. Per McShay

[45catfan]

5 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

So you think comparing a safety to a LB makes sense?

Chinn was a S/NLB (Buffalo nickle) hybrid.  Yes, it makes sense.  Thomas Davis did it back in the day, but even he struggled even before the ACL injuries.  Finally he settled in to LB and ditched safety altogether. 

[SOJA]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

That being said, rookie QB does buy time normally.

Veteran QB usually means unemployment if things don't work out.

I should also mention I think the Giants will nuke the entire coaching staff and FO next offseason.

see I think the opposite, I think they basically said look we can either build this thing right and not overdraft a QB like Daniel Jones or you can fire us and get the same result 

[45catfan]

6 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

This would be great for us if it went this way because Sanders would be on the board and trade ups are on the table.

Not too sure about that.  I've seen really recent mocks--since his Pro Day--where he falls completely out of round 1.  So the idea of teams jumping at the opportunity to trade up for him is a probably a pipe dream.

[jfra78]

21 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Chinn was a S/NLB (Buffalo nickle) hybrid.  Yes, it makes sense.  Thomas Davis did it back in the day, but even he struggled even before the ACL injuries.  Finally he settled in to LB and ditched safety altogether. 

Walker is a LB that can blitz from all LB spots like Luvu, he is very similar in size and they play the same.  Makes more sense to compare the 2.  

[kungfoodude]

22 minutes ago, SOJA said:

see I think the opposite, I think they basically said look we can either build this thing right and not overdraft a QB like Daniel Jones or you can fire us and get the same result 

That is not the way it works historically.

18 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Not too sure about that.  I've seen really recent mocks--since his Pro Day--where he falls completely out of round 1.  So the idea of teams jumping at the opportunity to trade up for him is a probably a pipe dream.

I very highly doubt that. When you look at the insane history of over drafting QB's, I would be very, very, VERY surprised to see him drop outside the top 15. 

He may not be an elite prospect but he is arguably the best in this class.

[CPF4LIFE]

2 hours ago, 45catfan said:

It seems the only way we don't draft Walker is if Graham somehow falls.  Outside of that, might as well FedEx that man a Panthers jersey now.

I'm convinced they like walker more than graham. 

[45catfan]

2 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

I'm convinced they like walker more than graham. 

Me too, but Graham would a least make them pause for a second or two before turning the card in for Walker.  The idea of Graham and Brown together is enticing, but probably not enough to kick Walker to the curb.  Dude probably already has his Panthers draft day hat in hand.

[45catfan]

26 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Walker is a LB that can blitz from all LB spots like Luvu, he is very similar in size and they play the same.  Makes more sense to compare the 2.  

I get all of that.  My problem is production, a one-year wonder whose stats are good, but far from eye-popping, especially for a top 10 prospect.  He needs developing.  We are not developers, refiners/tweaking--yes, but we suck at molding the raw athletic types from word go.  Yet that what this front office drools over.  I have to give Marty Hurney some credit, in the first round he always took BPA that was as close to Pro ready as possible.  He at least waited until day 2 to find the development projects that rarely panned out.

[countryboi]

3 hours ago, Basbear said:

Carter to 3, would cause the trade calls to light up. I don't see giants and Carter a match. They already have too much invested at edge. 

 

The gamblers called this days ago. 

 

It still feels like ward, Carter, and hunter will be the first 3 picks. 

if Sanders makes it past 3 its going to get weird..

[XClown1986]

Are we really acting like Walker wasn't good in 2023? He led Georgia in sacks with 5, as a part time player. Georgia saw him as a future ILB and once they saw he could rush the passer well, they moved him outside and he became a starter.

[jfra78]

13 minutes ago, XClown1986 said:

Are we really acting like Walker wasn't good in 2023? He led Georgia in sacks with 5, as a part time player. Georgia saw him as a future ILB and once they saw he could rush the passer well, they moved him outside and he became a starter.

When he is on the field it's obvious who the best player is.  Stat watchers don't care

[MHS831]

4 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

My clued in Giants fan Buddy says #3 is Carter's floor. If he's there they're taking him.

I think this is correct.  I see Ward (Tenn), Carter/Hunter (Cleve), Carter/Hunter (Giants), Membou or Campbell (Pats), Graham or McMillan (Jax), Jeanty (Raiders), Jets (Membou/Campbell)

Of course, there will be a trade or two, but that is where i see it. two.five weeks out. 

I see Indy or Pittsburgh moving up for Sanders if he drops to 7.

[Lurk21]

16 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I think this is correct.  I see Ward (Tenn), Carter/Hunter (Cleve), Carter/Hunter (Giants), Membou or Campbell (Pats), Graham or McMillan (Jax), Jeanty (Raiders), Jets (Membou/Campbell)

Of course, there will be a trade or two, but that is where i see it. two.five weeks out. 

I see Indy or Pittsburgh moving up for Sanders if he drops to 7.

Honestly, I couod see Pittsburgh  moving all the way to 3 to get Sanders. Their window is now and Tomlin  clock is ticking. Their roster doesn't have many holes, so picks shouldn't worry them.  Depends on the Giants mindset but they could bend them over and get future 1st since they don't have any 2nds. 

Edited 19 hours ago by Lurk21

[Loyalty4Life]

Did I miss something?  The people we have developing players now are not the ones we've had in the past so I don't know what the heck people are talking about when they say we are not good at developing players right now.  We only have one year to go on. 

Canales likes young players or players who are on an upward trajectory, especially in FA this year.  Past QB's and what he's done with Bryce are good examples.

Tershawn Wharton - 26
Tre'von Moehrig - 25
Pat Jones II - 26
Bobby Brown III - 24
Michael Jackson - 28
Jaycee Horn - 25
Tommy Tremble - 24
We missed on Milton Williams but he's 26.

Everyone else we picked up are on 1 year deals. 

The Panthers new front office and Canales absolutely scream developmental team.

Pick 8 (stay)
Tier 1 Elite - Abdul Carter, Travis Hunter and Mason Graham
Tier 2 Elite - Jalon Walker, Mykel Williams, Will Johnson

Trade down:
There are quite a few really good players that fit us at Edge, DT, S and WR mid to late 1st and high 2nd.  Some combos that would be possible that I really like.  Imagine getting 2 of these guys by trading down.
Stark, Pierce Jr, Golden, Scourton, Grant, Emmanwori, Ezeiruaku, Umanmielen, Deone Walker, Harmon and this is just off the top of my head.