Here's why St.Pierre is starting QB

[CRA]

Dude, St. Pierre has been in lots of different NFL offenses and has had a lot more practice reps than Pike has. And as far as getting Pike experience for the future of the Panthers...why should Fox care about that more than trying to win right now?

in St. Pierre's peak/prime he was a 3rd sting QB w/ 5 real pass attempts. Fox literally pulled him off a couch and put 3 days worth of knowledge/practice about this offense in his head.....and then claimed he gives us the best chance.

that just doesn't = a better option than ANY QB on a roster who has been w/ a team since training camp.

Fox is making a point. He is making a point that Carolina put him in a situation to lose. That is why he is starting St. Pierre......it gives ammo for his arguement.

[CharlotteBeer.com]

For Pike's sake!

(That's why we're starting St. Pierre.)

[monstercat]

in St. Pierre's peak/prime he was a 3rd sting QB w/ 5 real pass attempts. Fox literally pulled him off a couch and put 3 days worth of knowledge/practice about this offense in his head.....and then claimed he gives us the best chance.

that just doesn't = a better option than ANY QB on a roster who has been w/ a team since training camp.

Fox is making a point. He is making a point that Carolina put him in a situation to lose. That is why he is starting St. Pierre......it gives ammo for his arguement.

So you don't think Fox would use a better QB if he had one? I don't believe that for one second. Fox has never said or done anything to suggest he would ever be that childish.

St. Pierre is more experienced as a pro, regardless of how many pass attempts he has had and Pike has done absolutely nothing to suggest that he could win this game or that he is the future of the Panthers.

Whatever though. You're gonna believe what you want to believe.

[CRA]

So you don't think Fox would use a better QB if he had one? I don't believe that for one second. Fox has never said or done anything to suggest he would ever be that childish.

St. Pierre is more experienced as a pro, regardless of how many pass attempts he has had and Pike has done absolutely nothing to suggest that he could win this game or that he is the future of the Panthers.

Whatever though. You're gonna believe what you want to believe.

Fox showed in 2007 and 2009 and now in 2010 the answer to that question is....no. Not sure if he does it on purpose but he has proven to be pretty clueless with some obvious QB moves in recent history.

St. Pierre has 37 snaps of football in his career (which includes all preseason). Pretty sure, Pike already has surpassed that. St. Pierre basically gave an Ochocinco "child please" to Fox when Fox tried to throw the experienced vet line at St. Pierre.

[Cat'sGrowl]

My thinking is this: Clausen is pretty much safe given where he was drafted, and the fact that it's tough to evaluate his play given our porous offensive line. Still, he's certainly not shown without a shadow of a doubt that he can be our franchise quarterback.

The new front office will likely draft a quarterback with their top pick. Think Andrew Luck, perhaps. The competition will be between the two of them, and you better believe that the next coach won't be so foolish as to place all of his hope in very young quarterbacks. He'll sign a veteran.

So, someone like Luck, then Clausen, then a veteran. Probably doesn't leave much room for Pike, a sixth-round project.

Likely?

You think it's likely they will?

Then that's your issue.

They might.

I'll say it possible that they might, but to say it's likely is foolish.

This whole notion that "new regimes" always bring in new Quarterbacks is silly.

Especially if Hurney is back, which I believe he will be, then it's even more silly.

[monstercat]

Fox showed in 2007 and 2009 the answer to that question is....no. Not sure if he does it on purpose but he has proven to be pretty clueless with some obvious QB moves in recent history.

St. Pierre has 37 snaps of football in his career (which includes all preseason). Pretty sure, Pike already has surpassed that. St. Pierre basically gave an Ochocinco "child please" to Fox when Fox tried to throw the experienced vet line at St. Pierre.

Do you not understand that a rookie is still a rookie even if he has played a little bit? St. Pierre has been in the league and has learned several different offenses while learning the QB position from some of the best coaches and players in the business. He has thrown a thousand passes to some of the best WR's in the business and has studied thousands of hours of game film over a period of years. I don't care that Pike has had a few more snaps in garbage time than St. Pierre, he's still a know nothing rookie who is a project, at best.

[CharlotteBeer.com]

Likely?

You think it's likely they will?

Then that's your issue.

They might.

I'll say it possible that they might, but to say it's likely is foolish.

This whole notion that "new regimes" always bring in new Quarterbacks is silly.

Especially if Hurney is back, which I believe he will be, then it's even more silly.

Matt Moore played lights out in 2009 and they still drafted Clausen with their first pick. With both of those guys playing far worse than Moore did the year prior, yes, I do think it's likely that a new coach takes a quarterback like Luck if they have the chance.

Sorry if you think that's foolish.

[Cat'sGrowl]

Matt Moore played lights out in 2009 and they still drafted Clausen with their first pick. With both of those guys playing far worse than Moore did the year prior, yes, I do think it's likely that a new coach takes a quarterback like Luck if they have the chance.

Sorry if you think that's foolish.

Matt Moore had also been in the league 4 years and hadn't made the coaching staff fall in love with him.

The fans see the back stretch of '09 as the only thing to grade him by.

They seem to forget all the reports that he was a poor practice player and the fact that he was never good enough to take the reigns from Jake.

The coaching staff had no faith in Moore from the very beginning, and that proved itself this year.

[Sloth]

Likely?

You think it's likely they will?

Then that's your issue.

They might.

I'll say it possible that they might, but to say it's likely is foolish.

This whole notion that "new regimes" always bring in new Quarterbacks is silly.

Especially if Hurney is back, which I believe he will be, then it's even more silly.

Why is it silly?

We have one vet QB on roster, St. Pierre (just lol). We have a 2nd round pick who looks like total ass, a third round QB->WR convert and a 6th round spread QB with the musculature of a hat stand who can't unseat the scrub veteran we brought in.

Which coach is coming in that won't want to bring in new QBs? As a new coach, I know I sure as hell want to run with that group.

[CRA]

Do you not understand that a rookie is still a rookie even if he has played a little bit? St. Pierre has been in the league and has learned several different offenses while learning the QB position from some of the best coaches and players in the business. He has thrown a thousand passes to some of the best WR's in the business and has studied thousands of hours of game film over a period of years. I don't care that Pike has had a few more snaps in garbage time than St. Pierre, he's still a know nothing rookie who is a project, at best.

do you understand that St. Pierre has only had 37 snaps including preseason. #3 QBs don't tend to throw tons of practice balls w/ the "best WR's in the business". Big Ben and Warner were getting those reps in practice w/ the studs.

bottom line is.....at this point. St. Pierre throwing to Clowney is simply pointless. Pike throwing to Armanti isn't.

[Carl Spackler]

do you understand that St. Pierre has only had 37 snaps including preseason. #3 QBs don't tend to throw tons of practice balls w/ the "best WR's in the business". Big Ben and Warner were getting those reps in practice w/ the studs.

bottom line is.....at this point. St. Pierre throwing to Clowney is simply pointless. Pike throwing to Armanti isn't.

No, it's sad.

[monstercat]

OK CRA, you know better than a man who's been coaching for 20+ years, and Pike has definitely shown in games and in practice that he can get it done. You are obviously an expert who can also read Fox's mind.

[CRA]

No, it's sad.

not going to argue that

[Cat'sGrowl]

Why is it silly?

We have one vet QB on roster, St. Pierre (just lol). We have a 2nd round pick who looks like total ass, a third round QB->WR convert and a 6th round spread QB with the musculature of a hat stand who can't unseat the scrub veteran we brought in.

Which coach is coming in that won't want to bring in new QBs? As a new coach, I know I sure as hell want to run with that group.

Because your biased opinion of what our young QB's look like doesn't mirror that of an professional NFL coaching staff.

Plain and simple. I don't mean to offend, but that's the fact of it.

Like I said, it's possible they could.

If Luck is on the board when we draft, and the FO doesn't see anyone else we could take there, and no trade down is possible, the FO might pull the trigger on Luck, but I don't think that's the route there looking to take at this point. I think the FO is happy with developing their young QBs and, bringing a veteran FA in this offseason to help in that process, whether it's from the field or the sidelines.

Yasinskas said in an article a while back that one of the bigger selling points of a coach for this team is the words: "I can make Jimmy Clausen a good Quarterback."