Here's why St.Pierre is starting QB

[pantherclaw]

Matt Moore was our third-string quarterback last year. Should Fox have waited that long to start him over Delhomme, McCown and Feeley?

I realize that he'd been in the league a few years up to that point, but I just think we need to at least see if Pike can play. If I had to guess, he won't even be on the team next year (unless he gets playing time and impresses). St. Pierre certainly won't.

Apples and oranges.

Moore wasn't a rookie. He also had started already, and been in the system for years.

Pike is a string bean. Yes, he needs to see some play time, but starting him against a ravens defense is not the answer.

He'll get play time in december if clausen can't stay healthy.

Pike needs the season, and off season to bulk up at least 15 to 20 lbs.

He's not going to be cut just to cut him.

He'll be part of the competition in preseason.

[Debil]

I think starting St. Pierre has more to do with what flavor of vanilla our offense (French... pun intended) will be than anything else, even above skill.

St. Pierre has been exposed to more NFL playbooks than Pike or Edwards at this point, and may be more familiar with the "lingo". That might not be saying much, and it probably still won't make any difference in the end, but that might be the sole reason he was picked to start over Pike/Edwards.

[CharlotteBeer.com]

Apples and oranges.

Moore wasn't a rookie. He also had started already, and been in the system for years.

Pike is a string bean. Yes, he needs to see some play time, but starting him against a ravens defense is not the answer.

He'll get play time in december if clausen can't stay healthy.

Pike needs the season, and off season to bulk up at least 15 to 20 lbs.

He's not going to be cut just to cut him.

He'll be part of the competition in preseason.

My thinking is this: Clausen is pretty much safe given where he was drafted, and the fact that it's tough to evaluate his play given our porous offensive line. Still, he's certainly not shown without a shadow of a doubt that he can be our franchise quarterback.

The new front office will likely draft a quarterback with their top pick. Think Andrew Luck, perhaps. The competition will be between the two of them, and you better believe that the next coach won't be so foolish as to place all of his hope in very young quarterbacks. He'll sign a veteran.

So, someone like Luck, then Clausen, then a veteran. Probably doesn't leave much room for Pike, a sixth-round project.

[Debil]

So, someone like Luck, then Clausen, then a veteran. Probably doesn't leave much room for Pike, a sixth-round project.

I hate when we waste picks like that

[CharlotteBeer.com]

I hate when we waste picks like that

I knew the Pike pick was a wasted one.

It's fitting that Fox and Co. would go so many years neglecting the quarterback position, and then in their last year they draft three (yeah, I know Armanti's a receiver). And of course, none of these guys are even working out right now.

I say that Pike was a wasted pick and I do believe that, but I wish they would at least see if he can play. There's always a chance. If he gets no playing time this year, I don't see how we keep him next year.

[Kevin Greene]

John Fox accused of “mutiny” in Carolina

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on November 19, 2010, 10:02 AM EST

In a sense, this feels familiar.

“John Fox came up to me on Wednesday and said Vinny Testaverde did this three years ago,” sudden starter said Thursday via the Rock Hill Herald. “I said, ‘Well, Vinny has a little better resume than I do.’ “

“It is what it is,” Fox said.

Some think it’s a mutiny. “The decision to start St. Pierre also is remarkable in that Fox apparently can do whatever he wants whenever he wants to,” Tom Sorensen of the Charlotte Observer writes.

The decision could be Fox’s way of thumbing his nose at G.M. Matty Hurney and the front office. By this logic, Fox may even be trying to get fired with open disrespect.

From the outside, it looks like perhaps Fox believes the veteran gives the team a better chance to win. But the guys on the beat know the organizational dynamics far better than we ever will.

“Fox is acting like he’s got his next job in hand already. Because otherwise, you wouldn’t so the boss who’s paying you $6.5 million or the GM you call a friend,” Darin Gantt (from every paper in the Carolinas) wrote on Twitter.

“I’ve , and for the life of me, can’t find a rational reason for this move, other than pure spite,” Gantt finishes.

lolz

[OneBadassCat]

I just think it's a bullshit move. Pike should get a shot. It's a total slap in the face to the guy you drafted. Pike knows the system better. It's not like we're expecting a QB to come in here dominate, and lead us to 8-8 or something. Just give the guy a shot and don't be an asshole. Fox can eat a fat dick if he's doing this for spite.

I understand that he wasn't given much choice in FA but man the hell up coach up your young guys. I know this team is better than 1-8 we have talent and a better coach could have won more games. It's not like because our guys are young they are idiots. His need for lesser talent vets to start just shows he can't develop players.

[pantherclaw]

My thinking is this: Clausen is pretty much safe given where he was drafted, and the fact that it's tough to evaluate his play given our porous offensive line. Still, he's certainly not shown without a shadow of a doubt that he can be our franchise quarterback.

The new front office will likely draft a quarterback with their top pick. Think Andrew Luck, perhaps. The competition will be between the two of them, and you better believe that the next coach won't be so foolish as to place all of his hope in very young quarterbacks. He'll sign a veteran.

So, someone like Luck, then Clausen, then a veteran. Probably doesn't leave much room for Pike, a sixth-round project.

I can't agree with ya on yet another rookie qb.

It is a possibility, but not in stone. If they were to draft another qb, I don't see them keeping clausen. They'd trade him away, even for a 3rd or 4th round pick. Whatever. They could get for him. They aren't going to keep clausen if they are going in another direction.

So whether its clausen, pike, vet orrrrrrr rookie qb, pike, vet... pike the project will prolly still be a panther IMO.

[pantherclaw]

I just think it's a bullshit move. Pike should get a shot. It's a total slap in the face to the guy you drafted. Pike knows the system better. It's not like we're expecting a QB to come in here dominate, and lead us to 8-8 or something. Just give the guy a shot and don't be an asshole. Fox can eat a fat dick if he's doing this for spite.

I understand that he wasn't given much choice in FA but man the hell up coach up your young guys. I know this team is better than 1-8 we have talent and a better coach could have won more games. It's not like because our guys are young they are idiots. His need for lesser talent vets to start just shows he can't develop players.

What part of prooject don't you and others understand?

Ya want to get pike killed? Cause that would be a high possibility with him playing he ravens defense. Pike needs more weight, muscle, mass to be an nfl qb...period.

You talk about the coaches inability to develope players, when you don't even understand it yourself.

[OneBadassCat]

Pierre is trash. He threw Clausen to the wolves, why put Pike in there? He should have signed a vet QB 3 months ago, not week 10. This is just a waste of time.

[monstercat]

How many of you have considered that St. Pierre may just be the better QB right now, and that's why he's starting? I mean, what do you really expect from a 6th round rookie QB who never took a snap from center in college? Pike has had to learn a completely different way to play QB than what he was taught in college, along with learning to be a pro.

[CRA]

How many of you have considered that St. Pierre may just be the better QB right now, and that's why he's starting? I mean, what do you really expect from a 6th round rookie QB who never took a snap from center in college? Pike has had to learn a completely different way to play QB than what he was taught in college, along with learning to be a pro.

I don't think a guy who has been sitting at home for months.....with 5 career pass attempts in the NFL.....after 4 practices gives you the "best" chance to win.

bottom line is now more than ever, it is about our youth learning to win. There really is no logic in starting him over Pike. Pike knows the playbook better, Pike is in better shape, Pike has more chemistry w/ WRs, and Pike possibly has a chance at a future here.

[rayzor]

only thing i am increasingly sure of is that fox has no interest in this team and he's only sitting around waiting for the season to end so he can start working with his new team (whoever was dumb enough to think he was a great choice).

[Baschski]

Anyone trying to actually rationally explain this decision is over thinking it. Fox is giving the organization the finger.

And I think it's hilarious.