So Jerry, the Dallas Jerry not ours, had balls to fire Wade-Fox should go

[CatfanMO]

Doesnt jerry know there could be a lockout!!!!!! He fired wade, but is going to have to pay him the rest of his contract!!!!omg!!!!!omg!!!!

[Mr. Scot]

Doesnt jerry know there could be a lockout!!!!!! He fired wade, but is going to have to pay him the rest of his contract!!!!omg!!!!!omg!!!!

Actually, Jones is one of the guys that could suffer the most if there is a lockout.

He poured a boatload of his own money into that stadium. If it sits there empty with no revenue coming in, it'll hurt him...a lot (it was discussed on Fox this past weekend).

Having an owner and/or GM with balls is fine. Having one with more balls than brains though? Not so good.

[Kevin Greene]

Cowboys record in the salary cap era (1994-present)

Regular Season: 142-123 (.536)

Playoffs: 6-8 (.429)

Overall: 148-131 (.530)

Panthers record with Marty Hurney as GM (2002-present)

Regular Season: 72-65 (.526)

Playoffs: 5-3 (.625)

Overall: 77-68 (.531)

Let's look at apples and apples shall we?

Panthers 2002 to present:

Regular Season: 72-65

Cowboys 2002 to present:

Regular Season: 74-63

Of course if you want to stay in the salary cap era from 1994 to present, don't forget the Cowboys won the Super Bowl in 1995.

[Kevin Greene]

Actually, Jones is one of the guys that could suffer the most if there is a lockout.

He poured a boatload of his own money into that stadium. If it sits there empty with no revenue coming in, it'll hurt him...a lot (it was discussed on Fox this past weekend).

Having an owner and/or GM with balls is fine. Having one with more balls than brains though? Not so good.

This hopefully will work to the NFL's advantage that a leading owner like Jones will be very motivated to keep that stadium filled. We all want football.

Jerry did step up and do what had to be done in Dallas to secure a stadium, I guess you can criticize him for that as well. :frown2:

Look at the San Diego situation right now. Alex Spanos wants the city to cough up huge bucks towards a new downtown stadium, meanwhile San Diego doesn't have the money to even fix potholes in their roads.

So it looks like the Spanos' in preperation for Alex's eventual death will sell off part of the percentage of the team most likely to a group in Los Angeles and the city of San Diego can wave the Chargers goodby.

[Mr. Scot]

Let's look at apples and apples shall we?

Panthers 2002 to present:

Regular Season: 72-65

Cowboys 2002 to present:

Regular Season: 74-63

Of course if you want to stay in the salary cap era from 1994 to present, don't forget the Cowboys won the Super Bowl in 1995.

How exactly does a two game regular season difference equate to "far exceeding anything the Panthers have accomplished"?

If you want to go only by those years, fine. But you have to include the respective playoff records as well.

Panthers: 5-3 (.625)

Cowboys: 1-4 (.200)

The Cowboys Super Bowl victory was fifteen years ago, in only the early stages of the salary cap era, and owed a lot to Neil O'Donnell. Jones' management of the team has kept them largely irrelevant ever since. Take away the influences of Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcells and it looks even worse.

The purest measure of Jones abilities as a GM would be the Dave Campo era. At that time, most if not all of Jimmy Johnson's stamp on the team was gone and Bill Parcells was yet to come. Jones was completely in charge, picking the players and handpicking the head coach.

The result: three straight finishes of 5-11.

I'll give him credit for generally being a smart businessman. As a talent evaluator and team builder though? Not so much.

[fjblair]

Pretty much.

"Passion for winning" is meaningless if you're not smart enough to know how to make it happen and too egotistical to realize you're the problem and really should step back and hand the reins to someone who knows what they're doing.

Heck, Al Davis has a heart for winning. Unfortunately for Raider fans, he also has a brain for losing.

Pam Oliver really raked Jones over the coals this past Sunday, but never once did he admit the real problem was him. He won't even entertain the notion. If we had a guy like that, we'd be sad fans, indeed.

Yeah and Danny Boy Snyder has passion for winning too.....

[CatfanMO]

Actually, Jones is one of the guys that could suffer the most if there is a lockout.

He poured a boatload of his own money into that stadium. If it sits there empty with no revenue coming in, it'll hurt him...a lot (it was discussed on Fox this past weekend).

Having an owner and/or GM with balls is fine. Having one with more balls than brains though? Not so good.

Seriously doubt a single nfl team will close shop. Will one owner pocket more money than another next season? More than likely.

[Davidson Deac II]

Style points aside, the results for the Cowboys far exceed anything the Panthers have accomplished. To criticize Jone's methods while ignoring his success as well as the Panthers failures is amusing to say the least.

How diod the Panthers have their early success in 1996? By stockpiling big name free agents and spending the cash. But if Jerruh did it it's different I guess.

Again, the Cowboys have won a playoff game as recently as 2009, the Panthers? 2005.

No one wants Jerry Jones in Carolina but to deny his success while wearing the hater glasses is a bad case of denial.

And no, none of Fox's assistants warrant Head Coach consideration, a further condemnation of JR, Hurney and Fox.

That idiot Jerruh spent big $ a couple years back to keep Jarrett when there was talk of his moving on. Another stupid move I guess.

I disagree. I don't think we can compare what the Cowboys did before the Panthers even existed. So if you compare the results since they have existed, the Panthers have more playoff wins, more championship game appearances, and more playoff appearances. The Cowboys do have a Superbowl win (in the Panthers first year of existence) but since then have done nothing of note. Plus we beat them twice in the playoffs.

As Mr. Scott said, Jones methods worked well enough when he could spend as he pleased, but with a level playing field, he hasn't accomplished much at all.

[Kevin Greene]

How exactly does a two game regular season difference equate to "far exceeding anything the Panthers have accomplished"?

If you want to go only by those years, fine. But you have to include the respective playoff records as well.

Panthers: 5-3 (.625)

Cowboys: 1-4 (.200)

The Cowboys Super Bowl victory was fifteen years ago, in only the early stages of the salary cap era, and owed a lot to Neil O'Donnell. Jones' management of the team has kept them largely irrelevant ever since. Take away the influences of Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcells and it looks even worse.

The purest measure of Jones abilities as a GM would be the Dave Campo era. At that time, most if not all of Jimmy Johnson's stamp on the team was gone and Bill Parcells was yet to come. Jones was completely in charge, picking the players and handpicking the head coach.

The result: three straight finishes of 5-11.

I'll give him credit for generally being a smart businessman. As a talent evaluator and team builder though? Not so much.

The Panthers last Super Bowl victory was never. That itallics thing is cool.

Having an owner and/or GM with balls is fine. Having one with more balls than brains though? Not so good.

The bolded part of your quote is quite a bit more reasonable than your quote previously in this thread. You're almost there.

Finally, putting the right people in power even if it was done only twice by Jerry Jones since 1990 in Jimmy Johnson and Parcells ( you said "In 2007, Wade Phillips made it to the playoffs on the back of the roster Parcells had built.") has netted 12 Playoff appearances and 3 Super Bowl titles.

I'd take that. JR got it right with Bill Polian, not so much with Hurney.

At the end of this season Jerruh could bring in a new Coach/GM and start anew, he's done it before, he may again. Will JR? We'll see.

[Kevin Greene]

I disagree. I don't think we can compare what the Cowboys did before the Panthers even existed.

Certainly that is part of Jerry Jones resume as a Cowboy owner and/or GM.

[Mr. Scot]

Certainly that is part of Jerry Jones resume as a Cowboy owner and/or GM.

Ah, but you wanted 'apples to apples', remember?

That means anything prior to the salary cap is irrelevant.

Carmen Policy looked like a world class GM when there were no spending limits too. On a level playing field he was just short of awful.

[Delhommey]

Jerry Richardson won a championship with the Colts.

[Kevin Greene]

Jerry Richardson won a championship with the Colts.

I'm pretty sure Jerry Jones won a marbles championship before age 8.

Prodigy.