Fox to run the defense?

[MyDrunkardNC]

Trolled? Why, cause I ask yall to seek the truth, instead of talking of your ass?

Yeah, the way it is on the forum now, if you don't have a weird, misplaced hatred for Fox or Trgo, or demand that drastic changes be made in the coaching and FO, then you're a troll.

[monstercat]

All I know, is that two of the Panthers beat writers (Darin Gantt and Scott Fowler), who are there with the team all the time and have talked to all of these coaches and players face to face, on and off the record, are saying that this is Fox's defense. I'm inclined to believe these guys since they know infinitely more about the inner workings of the Panthers than any of us could possibly know.

[mantal]

but prior to the midseason collapse(last year).....players did say the defense Carolina ran wasn't what Trgo prefered or wanted to do. I can find the quotes that about w/ the players talking about the schemes Trgo wanted to run at times and that not being was displayed on the field. I would say that is a "shred" of evidence.

Also, sounds to me like you are taking Fox's word. Fox never says what actually goes on.....we have learned that. No way in heck Fox just "sat in" on those meetings like he claimed imo.

No offense taken either, thanks.

I never read anything that said players were saying that. Not saying that it didn't happen, I just didn't see it and I'm pretty diligent in reading the huddle regularly, where nobody would be able to resist posting about such a controversy. IDK?

Yes, I know Fox is pretty cryptic in his information. However, if he was controlling the meetings and publicly stated that he wasn't I believe that would have come to light somehow but it never did. I just don't jump on the Fox bashing band wagon as to controlling the defense without more proof...

[mantal]

All I know, is that two of the Panthers beat writers (Darin Gantt and Scott Fowler), who are there with the team all the time and have talked to all of these coaches and players face to face, on and off the record, are saying that this is Fox's defense. I'm inclined to believe these guys since they know infinitely more about the inner workings of the Panthers than any of us could possibly know.

That it was Fox's defense has never been in question to me. He's the head coach, he has the schemes in place that he wants. If he doesn't, he shouldn't be head coach. What I am talking about is the day to day implementation of the schemes and play calling. Input?, yes - influence?, most definitely, but not complete control circumventing his coordinators.

[monstercat]

That it was Fox's defense has never been in question to me. He's the head coach, he has the schemes in place that he wants. If he doesn't, he shouldn't be head coach. What I am talking about is the day to day implementation of the schemes and play calling. Input?, yes - influence?, most definitely, but not complete control circumventing his coordinators.

Exactly. Everybody is blaming Trgo for running Fox's schemes. There is not that much you can change about the play calling without changing the basic schemes. A zone is a zone, a blitz is a blitz, press coverage is press coverage. If it's in the game plan, then they're gonna run it.

[CRA]

I never read anything that said players were saying that. Not saying that it didn't happen, I just didn't see it and I'm pretty diligent in reading the huddle regularly, where nobody would be able to resist posting about such a controversy. IDK?

Yes, I know Fox is pretty cryptic in his information. However, if he was controlling the meetings and publicly stated that he wasn't I believe that would have come to light somehow but it never did. I just don't jump on the Fox bashing band wagon as to controlling the defense without more proof...

we went on a Trgo bashing spree a few seaons ago....I'll try to dig it up (might take a day or so) but some players made comments about what Trgo prefered to do AND what the Panthers actually did on defense.

[carpanfan96]

I still say fox needs to go or change his scheme, he's too stupid to realize that his scheme doesn't work with the dline we have. Notice our defense has sucked the last two seasons, not a crazy amount of pressure. This system has to have pressure for it to be successful. For the panthers current defense to be successful the scheme needs to be changed away from this zone bend don't break crap.

[Snake]

Exactly. Everybody is blaming Trgo for running Fox's schemes. There is not that much you can change about the play calling without changing the basic schemes. A zone is a zone, a blitz is a blitz, press coverage is press coverage. If it's in the game plan, then they're gonna run it.

God you are so wrong on this. Yea Fox likes the 4-3 but thats just the base scheme we run out of. A zone is not just a zone and a blitz is not just a blitz. You have different ways of approaching both and the times you play the zone or the blitz or the zone blitz or the run dog blitz or the cover 2 man are all important. A game plan has more to do with personal of the the other team and match up. You want to get the best coverage for the personal they employ and you want to pick up on things they like to do and shut them down. Thats how NE has won so many games. They are great at Game planning. Play calling might have to change in the game but if you do a good job at Game planing you still know what your main goal is and it has noting to do with a scheme we run at all.

[monstercat]

God you are so wrong on this. Yea Fox likes the 4-3 but thats just the base scheme we run out of. A zone is not just a zone and a blitz is not just a blitz. You have different ways of approaching both and the times you play the zone or the blitz or the zone blitz or the run dog blitz or the cover 2 man are all important. A game plan has more to do with personal of the the other team and match up. You want to get the best coverage for the personal they employ and you want to pick up on things they like to do and shut them down. Thats how NE has won so many games. They are great at Game planning. Play calling might have to change in the game but if you do a good job at Game planing you still know what your main goal is and it has noting to do with a scheme we run at all.

So answer me one question... do you think that if John Fox wanted more blitzing and more press coverage that it would be happening on Sundays, or do you believe that Trgo has been rushing 4 and forcing those CB's to play ten yards off in spite of what the HC wants?

[FrostyOne]

I think Fox running the defense is a great idea! Then he can shut all the haters up, once and for all. Fox is a great defensive coach.

[Carolina Crazy V2]

i don't know who was the one that started saying fox was running the defense, when i first heard it, the season was over. People said fox took over the defense, and thats when it went bad.

[Pimpdaddy]

this is definitely foxy's defense so i dont really expect much to change with turdo gone. fox hired turgo because turgo would implement fox's defensive scheme. im sure he had the latitude to improve where possible and suggest things as fkup as dropping peppers back into coverage. but basically he was a babysitter, and instead of babysitting he was watching tv and blowing a doob.... im glad he is gone for the simple fact that we will get some new blood in.

same with davidson... new guy but not much change. sure he didnt bring the smoke route play with him from cleveland. we have some beasts on the offense and think we really underachieved there because our plays really suck... if it wasnt for DWill/Stewart it would have been ugly. i mean, how is it that smitty is never open or any receiver for that matter....but thats another story...