There is logic in rooting against Panthers victories at this point

[Boltergeist]

Indy got a little lucky themselves back at the end of 97 cause Arizona won in Week 17, otherwise they would've held the #1 pick. As it stood, the Cards thought Plummer was their future - enough to get SD and CHI in a bidding war to move up to 2. I bet they might have done it with the 1 pick as well between the Colts, Bears, and Chargers.

[Wither]

Oh god, another one of these.

[rayzor]

At this point I don't know if I have a sure thing pick right now. Lets see how they play when the bowl games come and the pressure gets ratcheted up. Luck like Newton have never played under a pressure packed situation. Remember when Clausen was deemed the best quarterback and as things got closer, it was clear who the real deal was with Bradford being above the rest. Lots could happen between now and next April. Folks who jump way too early for a pick with only part of the puzzle usually make poor choices.

what else is there to talk about?

[FuzzyPanther]

The premise of this thread is so absurd, I can't take it anymore. I know the OP makes a lot of questionable assertions (in a number of posts/threads), and people doubt his motives, but I believe he has the best interests of the team in mind, but his heart my be in the wrong place. So let's add some numbers to this game.

Let's take this fact for granted: We are Panther fans, and we want our team to perform well at the game of Football in the NFL.

SMF postulates: We will win more games in the future, if we lose more now (because of excellent draft positioning). Now, I'm not going to look it up, but let's have a look at #1 overall picks at QB, and I'm guessing a success rate at around 10%, and I think I'm probably being generous. So, that's my guess, but let's just say there's a 20% chance of landing the next coming of Peyton Manning (PM) in next year's draft. Cool. That's great. (PM = One Superbowl in 10 years, and at best, as discussed above, a 20% chance of getting him... sooo, let's extrapolate the data...)

If I draft a QB First round, First Pick, 10 times, then I will get him (PM) twice. (as discussed above)

Once every 10 years, PM will win a Superbowl. (as demonstrated)

Now, my stats class was, admittedly, many years ago, but that adds up to a SB about once every 50 years. This is much less often than the even number of 1/32 teams who have a chance every year. That is a loser of a stat.

The bottom line: In my mind, a win is a win, and I'd like to see us beat the Ravens this week. It would be nice, and I would enjoy that much more than a loss to the Ravens. So I believe I will continue to want/yell/urge/pull my team for a win every week, every season, every game.

[Brooklyn Bully]

Moore's not the answer (not good enough), Clausen's not the answer (too short, too slow, too scared), Pike's not the answer (not good enough). That is fact. Do we risk losing out on first round talent in Luck or Locker being the answer while using a FA vet next season, and then draft a QB in 2012? Or do we take the plunge on one of two QBs who could be the next 15-year superstar? It all boils down to that. There is no other way to look at it. None. Trading down means we go the FA route. Grabbing Luck or Locker (maybe Mallet) means we go that route. It's as simple as that. And where we finish this year, greatly effects all of that.

[Sam Mills Fan]

2010 1st round QBs:

Sam Bradford: Awesome

The Golden Calf of Bristol: TBD

2009 1st round QBs:

Matthew Stafford: Awesome

Mark Sanchez: Awesome

Josh Freeman: Awesome

2008 1st round QBs:

Matt Ryan: Awesome

Joe Flacco: Awesome

Of the past 7 quarterbacks drafted in the first round, 6 have been unequivocal successes and the jury is still out on The Golden Calf of Bristol. And Andrew Luck has a higher grade on him right now than *all* of these other guys.

If you draft him and hire Harbaugh, I see literally no way how that can turn out poorly barring injury.

[FuzzyPanther]

2010 1st round QBs:

Sam Bradford: Too soon, team stinks, won't make playoffs

The Golden Calf of Bristol: Too soon, not starting, team stinks, won't make playoffs

2009 1st round QBs:

Matthew Stafford: chronically injured, team stinks, no SB's, won't make playoffs

Mark Sanchez: getting the job done, can't beat Manning, backed into playoffs, no SB's

Josh Freeman: doing well, team hasn't made playoffs, no SB's, won't make playoffs

2008 1st round QBs:

Matt Ryan: Awesome -agreed, no SB's

Joe Flacco: Trent Dilfer won a SB with this team, no SB's

[Brooklyn Bully]

2010 1st round QBs:

Sam Bradford: Too soon, team stinks, won't make playoffs

The Golden Calf of Bristol: Too soon, not starting, team stinks, won't make playoffs

2009 1st round QBs:

Matthew Stafford: chronically injured, team stinks, no SB's, won't make playoffs

Mark Sanchez: getting the job done, can't beat Manning, backed into playoffs, no SB's

Josh Freeman: doing well, team hasn't made playoffs, no SB's, won't make playoffs

2008 1st round QBs:

Matt Ryan: Awesome -agreed, no SB's

Joe Flacco: Trent Dilfer won a SB with this team, no SB's

You just went full retard.

[PantherBrew]

You just went full retard.

Yep. Any leg in this argument he was standing on, is now gone.

[Chaos]

I'm Anti-Luck, just because I already cringe at the thought of all the cheesy ass headlines we will see from Sorenson and company after each game, using the word luck.

Nah, I'd still take him. lol

[brandon_87]

This thread is pointless for 2 reasons:

1.Who the hell is going to root against their own team if they r a true fan?

2. There isn't anybody in this draft worth tanking a season or even 1 game to try to ****** up.

And just for the record, manning would have never played for the chargers, didn't u see what happened when they tried to draft a manning? Dad says no, and he means it!

[Ravens_5_52]

If you're the consensus #1 pick being praised and hyped by everybody today, what reason would he stay in school?

He'll come out, especially if we sign former Panther Jim Harbaugh to be our new coach.

I don't know why he would, his stock is high and would be guaranteed a top 10 pick, maybe top 5 depending on who needs a QB. Also if they ever do get a new CBA done, it probably won't be in effect until 2012, meaning no rookie scale next year and the last chance to get all the money he can from holding out.

Now that would be interesting.... Jim Harbaugh as the new Panthers coach... well that certainly would make Ravens-Panthers game more interesting.

[Dpantherman]

if this is logic, Id hate to see stupidity.

[chef17]

Logic in my opinion is to root for your team.