Breaking down Hurney's ability to draft and sign free agents

[Kevin Greene]

An Overall record of 76-60 from 2002-2009 puts them in 7th place over that Time span.. The 2000-to now includes a 1-15 season before Hurney was put in place as the GM, A 7-9 record in 2000. Kinda puts a damper on the overall record since 2000. lol

Compare it to the other teams.....

Ok, you got me, let's throw out the 2001 1-15 and throw in this year's likely 1-15 and call it even.

Either way, 8 wins a season doesn't get it done.

The Patriots have 107 wins from 2002-2009 compared to the Panthers 76. If you don't think we can do better, then leave the status quo.

I think we can do better.

[PhillyB]

nowhere on your post is there mention of hurney's skills in signing contracts and manipulating extensions - both of which are absolute essentials for general managers. therefore your thread is hopelessly incomplete.

[thunderraiden]

This needs to seriously be locked and deleted:

Not only is it biased and doesn't compare him to any other GM, which I would dare say there is only two GM's in the league that could post a better resume than that, and one 'em would never work for us here anyways (Polian). On top of that, he fails to showcase the departures Hurney orchestrated. Look at Moose post-contract year and what he did for the bears for as much as we were paying Steve Smith. Look at Will Witherspoon who sucks and can't stay on a roster.

Mainly, What I want the OP to do is show me 3 GM's that aren't employed by the colts organization or the Ravens organization taht are better than Hurney so that he can prove that Hurney is not one of the top 5 GM's in the NFL.

[rico6]

A poo season, spawns poo threads.

I'm honestly surprised that you people are shocked by this.

[Gazi]

Not a bad GM when you consider his draft picks were pretty good and did make some key FA aquisitions.

His downfall? No QB to replace Jake. He should have done it after that Arizona game. I can see he tried with Clausen but the jury is still out on that one.

Maybe one day Clausen will be a great QB and we'll look back and ask a question "Why did Hurney get fired? He did draft Clausen and Gettis"

[Urrymonster]

Ok, you got me, let's throw out the 2001 1-15 and throw in this year's likely 1-15 and call it even.

Either way, 8 wins a season doesn't get it done.

The Patriots have 107 wins from 2002-2009 compared to the Panthers 76. If you don't think we can do better, then leave the status quo.

I think we can do better.

So you concede that we HAVE had the 7th best record since he has been GM and then claim that mediocrity?! I have news for you, we are in the upper quarter of teams, with only 6 above us. If 12 make the playoffs every year...

You are comparing our record to the very best team, GM, HC combination there has been in the entire capped era. Whilst everyone should strive for that, you can't realistically expect to achieve that, especially as that team is still live and kicking.

Hurney has been good. You can micro-analyse each of his mistakes, but you have to realise even the Pats have had monumental blunders (Maroney, letting Seymour go without a replacement). However they were lucky enough to land a hall of fame QB in the 6th round, which as Peyton has proved, will always give you a chance.

The Pats are the blueprint everyone would want to achieve, however that's not realistic and as someone pointed out, signing and drafting is only part of the job. If you want to analyse him, look at how much each free agent was signed for, as that indicates if he was actually expecting any contribution out of them.

[frash.exe]

However they were lucky enough to land a hall of fame QB in the 6th round, which as Peyton has proved, will always give you a chance.

i think there's a little bit more to it than that

Mainly, What I want the OP to do is show me 3 GM's that aren't employed by the colts organization or the Ravens organization taht are better than Hurney so that he can prove that Hurney is not one of the top 5 GM's in the NFL.

lol top 5 you've got to be fuging kidding me

here are a few examples we can kick around from forbes, but i expect some people won't even know the names of some of these guys

they also use a much more relevant 3 year window too

It also fails to recognize Hurney's strategy which has been to bring a bunch of guys who have injury histories and are journeymen at a cheap price looking for a diamond in the rough. You expect to miss on most of them looking for one or two good guys. Anyone who doesn't recognoze that the Panthers have been outstanding at finding good players from the scrap heap and bargain basement, hasn't been paying attention. Hurney plays the hand he is given and in my opinion does a pretty good job. We don't hit big on trades or free agents but it is because we don't pursue them. When we did in the past they were usually busts. Now we go with the draft and supplement with low cost guys and retreads. And Hurney is pretty darn good at finding them

wow, that's such a long, drawn out, tl;dr explanation of why Hurney is no better at free agency than many other GMs. I guess he really is this misunderstood genius maestro of his trade

[frash.exe]

So you concede that we HAVE had the 7th best record since he has been GM and then claim that mediocrity?! I have news for you, we are in the upper quarter of teams, with only 6 above us. If 12 make the playoffs every year...

or how about we put more weight on the last 3 years than anything else and come to the conclusion that besides being a good cap manager hurney's pretty much got poo on any other gm

[MadHatter]

This is ridiculous on it's face. Every GM brings in several free agents every year, and most of them don't make it out of training camp.

When we needed starters, Hurney went out and found them. You can say Peete sucked, but he brought us from 1-15 to 7-9. You can criticize others, but the ones that stuck did so because they earned a spot. The ones that didn't cost us next to nothing, so I think they were fair gambles.

And he's had misses in the draft, but who hasn't? He's managed to hit on all his first rounders, and he's found more than a few gems late.

He's a good GM. Your post does a decent job of suggesting otherwise, but when you compare him to everyone else the argument just disintegrates....

Thank you for adding some coherent thought and sanity to an otherwise moronic thread.

[Fiz]

A poo season, spawns poo threads.

I'm honestly surprised that you people are shocked by this.

This place doesn't need poo seasons for poo threads.

[Kevin Greene]

So you concede that we HAVE had the 7th best record since he has been GM and then claim that mediocrity?! I have news for you, we are in the upper quarter of teams, with only 6 above us. If 12 make the playoffs every year...

You are comparing our record to the very best team, GM, HC combination there has been in the entire capped era. Whilst everyone should strive for that, you can't realistically expect to achieve that, especially as that team is still live and kicking.

Hurney has been good. You can micro-analyse each of his mistakes, but you have to realise even the Pats have had monumental blunders (Maroney, letting Seymour go without a replacement). However they were lucky enough to land a hall of fame QB in the 6th round, which as Peyton has proved, will always give you a chance.

The Pats are the blueprint everyone would want to achieve, however that's not realistic and as someone pointed out, signing and drafting is only part of the job. If you want to analyse him, look at how much each free agent was signed for, as that indicates if he was actually expecting any contribution out of them.

Not gonna concede anything unless you include this year when Hurney is the GM. Or maybe we should only count seasons when the panthers are above .500.

[Kevin Greene]

This place doesn't need poo seasons for poo threads.

True

[panther4life]

Defense Dan Morgan, Kris Jenkins,Mike Rucker,Brenston Buckner,Deon Grant,Minter

Offense kevin donnalley, Jeff Mitchell, Steve smith, Mushin Muhammed,Hoover, John Kasay

^^^^^^^

-Key players that helped us win alot of games and make it to the superbowl before Hurney got here

We signed Delhomme, Proehel, stephen Davis and drafted Peppers with the # 2 pick.

Not that hard to for any g.m to draft peppers 2nd overall when you have a defensive minded coach.Also i dont want to give Hurney extra credit for signing Davis and Prohel because the argument could easily be made that they didnt come here or even invited here soley cuz of Hurney.

I also ommited in the original post all players drafted by Hurney that are no longer here (very long list of poo draft choices,including the multiple 2nd and rounders he sucked horrendously on)

So from 02 to 08 he managed to draft 10 quality starters and retain them. Thats after 58 picks

03 draft- Gross (8th overall)

04 draft- Gamble (28th overall)

04 draft- Wharton (94th overall

05 draft-Thomas Davis (14th overall)

06 draft Deagelo Willaims (27th overall)

06 draft-James Anderson (88th overall)

07 draft-Beason (25th overall)

07 draft-kalil (59th overall)

08 Stewart (13th overall)

08 Otah(19th overall)

57 total picks over those years and you produced 10 starters still on team, using 7 first rounders and finding 3 others with the remaining 50 picks.

*there are 3 decent ones that have left, peppers,Foster, Witherspoon

The 09/10 drafts are to early to judge fairly. But what we do know is that after his first 7

years of drafting....dont hold your breath tho cuz Hurney already pissed away his first rounders those 2 years and we know outside of the round Hurney's not so automatic

So yes since 02 Hurney has made some good draft choices...He has signed 0 free agents that were contributed more than 3 good years to this team.

So does this really make you think he's a great or even good g.m?

It doesent make me think hes terrible, but he's had 9 seasons and I think its time to give someone else a chance.

[thunderraiden]

Not gonna concede anything unless you include this year when Hurney is the GM. Or maybe we should only count seasons when the panthers are above .500.

Ok, so you're telling me, your boss tells you don't sign any free agents, and then fires you the following year because you did what he says, grow up panty fans. Thats what you bitches are becoming, true incarnations of what every rival fans have given us the nickname of.