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Breaking down Hurney's ability to draft and sign free agents

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Cyberjag Newbie

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Stocking the roster with talent....hmmm

As Bill Parcell once said, 'you are what your record says you are'?

How many winning seasons in how long with Hurney?

Cyberjag, not trying to offend at all, but, seems to me that is a fair question.

That W/L column is what judges GMs/talent etc.

I agree, but I also offer this caveat. When has there been such an obvious lame-duck coach on an NFL team, where the team won?

I don't think our total commitment to a youth movement was Hurney's idea, nor was keeping Fox around this year. So it's difficult to judge him by this year, especially by this year in isolation.

If you look at his prior years, you see an outstanding record despite an overhaul of personnel and a change from a free-agent oriented team to a homegrown one. That took some talent to manage, and denying him credit for that puts you on the same intellectual level as the original poster.

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Stocking the roster with talent....hmmm

As Bill Parcell once said, 'you are what your record says you are'?

How many winning seasons in how long with Hurney?

Cyberjag, not trying to offend at all, but, seems to me that is a fair question.

That W/L column is what judges GMs/talent etc.

Going into this season, the Panthers had the 7th best record in the NFL since Hurney was hired....So if the W/L column is what matters....then lets say for instance that this is the Owners fault ---- Cause it pretty much is.... and go off that record...... 7th overall in the NFL from the 2002 season to the 2009 season.

hmm.....

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Stocking the roster with talent....hmmm

As Bill Parcell once said, 'you are what your record says you are'?

How many winning seasons in how long with Hurney?

Cyberjag, not trying to offend at all, but, seems to me that is a fair question.

That W/L column is what judges GMs/talent etc.

As I have said many times over the years, this team has been under-coached. This team has had talent.

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In comparing the free agents worth and value you really need to look at the cost versus their value. For example, guys like Lucas were very expensive and while they were good for a few years, realy weren't worth the money. Delhomme and Brayton for example were great pickups because they were cheap and played better than expected. Making a broad argument about being good or bad wiithout delving into the cost versus production isn't breaking down the information but overlooking major information and failing to evaluate the relevant issues.

It also fails to recognize Hurney's strategy which has been to bring a bunch of guys who have injury histories and are journeymen at a cheap price looking for a diamond in the rough. You expect to miss on most of them looking for one or two good guys. Anyone who doesn't recognoze that the Panthers have been outstanding at finding good players from the scrap heap and bargain basement, hasn't been paying attention. Hurney plays the hand he is given and in my opinion does a pretty good job. We don't hit big on trades or free agents but it is because we don't pursue them. When we did in the past they were usually busts. Now we go with the draft and supplement with low cost guys and retreads. And Hurney is pretty darn good at finding them

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Going into this season, the Panthers had the 7th best record in the NFL since Hurney was hired....So if the W/L column is what matters....then lets say for instance that this is the Owners fault ---- Cause it pretty much is.... and go off that record...... 7th overall in the NFL from the 2002 season to the 2009 season.

hmm.....

3 seven win seasons, 2 eight win seasons. 5 Mediocre seasons in 8 total puts you in 7th place?

Hurrah for sucking consistently!

Incidentally, don't kow what your source is for Hurney's run but this decade (2000-2009) the Panthers are the 17th most winning franchise. And they'll drop much further after this year.

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/01/07/nfl-standings-for-the-decade-colts-patriots-are-the-best-lion/

From 2002-2009 the Panthers averaged 8.875 wins per year.

Or add 2-14 (Say we go 2-14 this year) to 2002-2009 and the Panthers average 8.1 wins per season.

Include this year and from 2000-present the Panthers average 7.36 wins per year.

Mediocre no matter how you look at it.

More importantly though 3 playoff appearances with 5 toal wins and 1 "one and done" since 2002.

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most of these guys listed were FOX type of players & the main reason they were signed is because of him. Hurney doesn't have complete control over which players we sign, which i thought would be common knowledge by now. Hurney doesn't sign anybody the HEADCOACH doesn't want(except this year)

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3 seven win seasons, 2 eight win seasons. 5 Mediocre seasons in 8 total puts you in 7th place?

Hurrah for sucking consistently!

Incidentally, don't kow what your source is for Hurney's run but this decade (2000-2009) the Panthers are the 17th most winning franchise. And they'll drop much further after this year.

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/01/07/nfl-standings-for-the-decade-colts-patriots-are-the-best-lion/

From 2002-2009 the Panthers averaged 8.875 wins per year.

Or add 2-14 (Say we go 2-14 this year) to 2002-2009 and the Panthers average 8.1 wins per season.

Include this year and from 2000-present the Panthers average 7.36 wins per year.

Mediocre no matter how you look at it.

More importantly though 3 playoff appearances with 5 toal wins and 1 "one and done" since 2002.

yeah i don't see how you can argue with that..

if you can't win............then you can't win. something's gotta change

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3 seven win seasons, 2 eight win seasons. 5 Mediocre seasons in 8 total puts you in 7th place?

Hurrah for sucking consistently!

Incidentally, don't kow what your source is for Hurney's run but this decade (2000-2009) the Panthers are the 17th most winning franchise. And they'll drop much further after this year.

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/01/07/nfl-standings-for-the-decade-colts-patriots-are-the-best-lion/

From 2002-2009 the Panthers averaged 8.875 wins per year.

Or add 2-14 (Say we go 2-14 this year) to 2002-2009 and the Panthers average 8.1 wins per season.

Include this year and from 2000-present the Panthers average 7.36 wins per year.

Mediocre no matter how you look at it.

More importantly though 3 playoff appearances with 5 toal wins and 1 "one and done" since 2002.

An Overall record of 76-60 from 2002-2009 puts them in 7th place over that Time span.. The 2000-to now includes a 1-15 season before Hurney was put in place as the GM, A 7-9 record in 2000. Kinda puts a damper on the overall record since 2000. lol

Compare it to the other teams.....

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