Andrew Luck vs. Jimmy Clausen

[pantherfan81]

Luck a 2 year college QB has a lot of you with hard on's

There is a long list of F A I L E D college QB's that acheived more in college than LUCK ever will

But its nice to dream

I'm usually on the safe bet draft pick or trade down. He is an exception imo cuz I see him do things on the field an NFL QB does but in a college uniform. He's worth the risk, even Fox said he would have taken Matt Ryan cuz he was an "exception". That's what Luck is, and people are gonna find out whenever he does decide to declare.

[Big Ed]

There's a long list of failed [every f**king football position here] that achieved more in college than [insert favorite nfl player here].

We totally shouldn't draft.

But drafting a player who's only played 2 season and achieved less is the better option

Maybe they will S L O W the NFL down his first season so he can get up to speed faster .

This is a pipe dream

I agree with the posters that say the O- Line need to be fixed first

I would trade down more picks and draft an O Lineman

Then continue to develope the QB's we have

Not many QB's are a 1st or 2nd season S T A R

[Fiz]

list of every OG taken in the first round since '95

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/draft/draft_query.cgi?pos=G&round_1=1&round_2=1&tm=all&year_1=1995&year_2=2009&conference=any&type=

What were they taken as

[TheRealDeal]

But drafting a player who's only played 2 season and achieved less is the better option

Maybe they will S L O W the NFL down his first season so he can get up to speed faster .

This is a pipe dream

I agree with the posters that say the O- Line need to be fixed first

I would trade down more picks and draft an O Lineman

Then continue to develope the QB's we have

Not many QB's are a 1st or 2nd season S T A R

Anyone who wants to go Oline just doesn't want to see Clausen get the boot.

[Big Ed]

Now did those QBs actually have skills that translated to the next level, like Luck has in abundance, or are you speaking of any number of Texas Tech or Florida system QBs that no one expected to do much in the pros anyway?

How are you measuring his skills translated to next level

When he has not played the next level yet ?

[Davidson Deac II]

Now did those QBs actually have skills that translated to the next level, like Luck has in abundance, or are you speaking of any number of Texas Tech or Florida system QBs that no one expected to do much in the pros anyway?

Many people said those QB's had the skills that would translate to the next level.

The thing is, you don't really know if the QB has skills that translate to the next level, until he actually gets to the next level.

[davos]

People are freaking out on both ends of the spectrum in here. Its not like the first round pick is it for a draft. Luck can possibly be a great QB and would be an interesting choice for us. I don't understand why the possibility of this is so disruptive and causing people to get all frazzled. I mean, what do we have to lose? And its not like you can't find any linemen past the 1st round...or the other way around for that matter with a QB. Its always hit or miss in the first round, but if its a hit with a QB, that's awesome for a franchise.

I just want us to improve as a team next year under a fiery new coach. If we happen to go a new direction with a QB (which as much as people don't want to admit IS likely with a new coaching staff) I'm supporting it and not freaking out.

[Ricky Spanish]

I mean, I've been on Luck's nuts for over a year, it's not my fault the panthers made my dreams complicated by drafting jimmy this past year.

by the way, if we do draft him, baker needs to give up the number 7 to him... just saying.

[Big Ed]

Anyone who wants to go Oline just doesn't want to see Clausen get the boot.

And you know that how ?

I want O-Line B/C there is a reason

D Williams/Stewart can not get the ball pass the line of scrimmage

Moore/Clausen/Pike are all YOUNG QB's

that may or may not make their mark in the N F L

But untill Panthers find out what happened to their BREAD & BUTTER run first offense

It would be hard to believe any Q B could open up the passing game

Which is the only reason everyone is getting a { Hard ON } for LUCK

[TheRealDeal]

And you know that how ?

I want O-Line B/C there is a reason

D Williams/Stewart can not get the ball pass the line of scrimmage

Moore/Clausen/Pike are all YOUNG QB's

that may or may not make their mark in the N F L

But untill Panthers find out what happened to their BREAD & BUTTER run first offense

It would be hard to believe any Q B could open up the passing game

Which is the only reason everyone is getting a { Hard ON } for LUCK

The fact that there isn't a difference making lineman in this draft. We aren't going to draft a starting RT or LT or C. We can get a decent lineman later on or through FA. You want to give Clauen time but he hasn't shown anything to warrant that, literally nothing. Luck's measurables are all better than Clausen, and he's played in a tougher conference so he's more tested. The only thing you can knock him for is his 2 years but the last QB we took started roughly two years with all of his missed starts, and he came out early too.

I'm not saying I'm sold on him right now, but you haven't given me any reasons not to be.

[Big Ed]

The fact that a Q B shows as you say nothing in his first season means Nothing

90 % of QB's show nothing in their first season

Some show nothing in their 2nd season

Some go to Europe they are so bad

But come back and win Super Bowls {Warner }

This is the N F L nothing is sure

And the same for all the COLLEGE Q B hype over the years

Nothing is sure

I've watched the N F L for 45 years and not many QB's came out of college their first season and light up the N F L

Most have taking 2-3 season to hit their groove

[kdrh5]

How are you measuring his skills translated to next level

When he has not played the next level yet ?

Obviously he hasnt played yet, and when i say skills, i mean prototype size, mobility, arm strength, leadership ability, football IQ, all of which Luck has more of than Clausen

[TheRealDeal]

Your post is very incoherent.

90% of QBs show nothing...exactly, 90% of QBs get other jobs they don't get to keep playing.

Those remaining that show nothing in their second year have to go find jobs as well but now there are less of them since the 90% that didn't make it the first year took them.

Some do go to Europe.

Less than .5% come back from Europe to win SBs.

So are you saying after year two we should send Clausen to Europe then have him come back and win a SB? How long is this going to take? 15 years?

How long do we stay with Clausen after he keeps showing nothing? How many passes will he get from you? What is improvement? What is one thing that he has that Luck doesn't (besides 4 NFL losses)?

[kdrh5]

And you know that how ?

I want O-Line B/C there is a reason

D Williams/Stewart can not get the ball pass the line of scrimmage

Moore/Clausen/Pike are all YOUNG QB's

that may or may not make their mark in the N F L

But untill Panthers find out what happened to their BREAD & BUTTER run first offense

It would be hard to believe any Q B could open up the passing game

Which is the only reason everyone is getting a { Hard ON } for LUCK

You do realize that this team can address the offensive line issues with one of its other draft picks, free agency, and getting Jeff Otah some pain meds, right?

People act as if that first round draft pick is our only pick